Saltwater Cannon

Discussion in 'The Veterans' Lounge' started by Maeryn, Nov 10, 2014.

  1. Maeryn Augur

    Saltwater Cannon Misc ID: 96986, Slot: Range, Primary, Secondary
    AC: 50 HP: 2250 MANA: 2250 END: 2250 ATK: 20, All Heroics 8, All Resists 45
    2-3 for Mod2s mostly, Avoid 5, Acc 8
    Heal Amount: 28, Spell Dmg: 28, Clairvoyance: 40
    Add Double Attack DMG: 9

    Manashot Crossbow Misc ID: 135920, Slot: Range, Ammo
    AC: 100 HP: 2300 MANA: 2300 END: 2300 ATK: 23, All Heroics 3, All Resists 45
    2 for Mod2 mostly, Avoid 5, Acc 8
    Heal Amount: 18, Spell Dmg: 18, Clairvoyance: 30

    Fragmented Crystal Armor ID: 133841, LORE, Slot: Range
    AC: 93 HP: 2018 MANA: 2028 END: 1987 ATK: 21, All Heroics 6, All Resists 45
    1-2 for Mod2 mostly, Avoid 5, Acc 6
    Heal Amount: 10, Spell Dmg: 10, Clairvoyance: 16
    Worn Effect: Improved Dodge V, Focus Effect: Corruption Damage 35-70 L100
    Click Effect: Prismatic Ward VII Casting Time: 0.5s, Resists +65 and AC +247
    Slot 1, type 7: empty, Slot 2, type 3: empty
    Required level of 92. Recommended level of 95.

    So with no aug slots, that's a reasonably similar item. Which raises the question of which of the really obvious differences are intended. I completely understand lack of lore tag and pity the sellers if that's changed.
    1. Prim and Sec on Saltwater, is it intended for people to be able to equip 3?
    2. 100 vs 50ac, 8 vs 3 Heroics, 28 vs 18 Heal/SplDmg don't understand why so different.
    3. Lack of Dodge, Corruption, P-Ward, Rec Level and Req Level with the last 2 quite possibly having a massive impact on current sales.
    4. Realize it might just be a parsing error but what is the Dbl Attk mod? It appears on Saltwater and Banker's Belt and is visible on neither item in game
    [39965] Saltwater Cannon, Mana: 8, Consumes: [Saltwater Cannon Keg] x 1
    Target: Single, Range: 250', Resist: Cold, Duration: 12s (2 ticks)
    Casting Time: 2.5s Recast Delay: 100s Recast Type: 31 (from item)
    1: Decrease Current HP by 1000, 2: Decrease Movement Speed by 25%
    Push: 2' Up: 2', 3: Push back 0' and up 1'

    [39844] Manashot Crossbow, Consumes: [Manashot Crossbow Bolts] x 1
    Target: Single, Range: 250', Resist: Magic
    Casting Time: 0.6s Recast Delay: 60s Recast Type: 31 (from item)
    Push: 3' Up: 3', 1: Decrease Current HP by 1501 (1576 per Lucy at 105)

    [38539] Repeating Crossbow, Mana: 8, Consumes: [Repeating Crossbow Bolts] x 1
    Target: Single, Range: 250', Resist: Physical, Duration: 12s (2 ticks)
    Casting Time: 0.5s Recast Delay: 100s Recast Type: 31 (from item)
    Push: 1', 1: Decrease Current HP by 3001 (3151 per Lucy at 105)

    [33978] Terror Crossbow, Mana: 8, Consumes: [Terror Crossbow Bolts] x 1
    Target: Single, Range: 250', Resist: Physical, Duration: 12s (2 ticks)
    Casting Time: 2.5s Recast Delay: 100s Recast Type: 31 (from item)
    1: Decrease Current HP by 2001, 2: Fear (2101 per Lucy at 105)

    Saltwater Cannon Keg (yield 1?) - Relic Fragment, Cask, 3 Water Flask
    Manashot Crossbow Bolts (yield 1?) - Relic Fragment, Fine Feathers, Medium Groove Nocks, Field Point Arrowheads, Bundled Steel Arrow Shafts
    Repeating Crossbow Bolts (yield 100) - Fine Feathers, Silver Tipped Arrowheads, Bundle of Steel Arrow Shafts
    Terror Crossbow Bolts (yield 10?) - Planar Energy Shard, Tainted Feather, Fractured Shard, Large Groove Nocks, Bundled Steel Arrow Shafts
    1. The damage decrease even with recast reduction is puzzling, generally things from newer expansions are better in all ways.
    2. Is the double push on Saltwater intended or is it a parsing error?
    3. Is the push on Manashot the intended primary purpose and reason for the damage drop?
    4. Barring Zam data collection error, how soon can you fix the yields on Keg and Mana Bolts and was Terror raised to 100 at same time as Repeating?
    5. Is the 1000 damage at Level 1 on Saltwater intended? The other 3 scale down.
    6. Why is there a duration on Repeating?
    7. Why the change from Physical damage? Repeating/Terror largely unresistable and Saltwater/Manashot will require debuff(s) in a lot of level appropriate content.
    8. Does the mana cost on 3 of them actually do anything? Can pure melee use them?
  2. Marshall Maathers Augur

    Sounds like the saltwater cannon can be a lazy man's ALEX.
  3. fransisco Augur

    make a lvl 1 caster and give him 3 of these.
    Not lore, and no lvl adjust.

    Profit.
  4. Edrick Augur

    A torch is a lazy man's ALEX.
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  5. Marshall Maathers Augur


    Okay, a step up from a lazy man's ALEX :p How about an unsuccessful person's ALEX.
  6. Maeryn Augur

    Make the Saltwaters for Level 1's and profit. Trying to find out if those Level 1's will get their platinum worth out of the items. In terms of leveling quickly the horse not only left the barn but has already retired and is living in a condo in Florida.

    The impact of this twinking outside of PvP (sorry Zek) isn't all that much, back in the day people can explain how when they were Level 70 and Anguish geared they had similar stats to a Level 1 with 3 Saltwater Cannons but twinks go from indestructible in level appropriate content to really indestructible and those two things are functionally very similar.
  7. Marshall Maathers Augur

    Not to mention, when it comes to ac, from The AC Holy Grail:

  8. Maeryn Augur

    Saltwater Cannon Keg (yield 25) - Relic Fragment, Cask, 3 Water Flask
    Manashot Crossbow Bolts (yield 1?) - Relic Fragment, Fine Feathers, Medium Groove Nocks, Field Point Arrowheads, Bundled Steel Arrow Shafts
    Repeating Crossbow Bolts (yield 100) - Fine Feathers, Silver Tipped Arrowheads, Bundle of Steel Arrow Shafts
    Terror Crossbow Bolts (yield 10?) - Planar Energy Shard, Tainted Feather, Fractured Shard, Large Groove Nocks, Bundled Steel Arrow Shafts

    It's yield 25 for the Kegs.
  9. Maeryn Augur

    - A few crafted items missing level restrictions have been fixed.

    Grats to those who made a profit while they could.
  10. Maeryn Augur

    Fixed like a horny dog.

    Saltwater Cannon Misc ID: 96986, Slot: Range, Primary, Secondary
    AC: 50 HP: 2250 MANA: 2250 END: 2250 ATK: 20, All Heroics 8, All Resists 45
    2-3 for Mod2s mostly, Avoid 5, Acc 8
    Heal Amount: 28, Spell Dmg: 28, Clairvoyance: 40
    Add Double Attack DMG: 9
    Required level of 100. Recommended level of 105.

    Darkwater Crystal Armor ID: 140154, LORE, Slot: Range
    AC: 122 HP: 2648 MANA: 2674 END: 2542 ATK: 18, Avg ~10 Heroics, All Resists 45
    1-2 for Mod2s mostly, Avoid 5, Acc 6
    Heal Amount: 26, Spell Dmg: 26, Clairvoyance: 44
    Worn Effect: Improved Dodge V
    1: Increase Chance to Dodge by 50%
    Focus Effect: Corruption Damage 48-70 L103
    1: Increase Spell Damage by 48% to 70%
    Click Effect: Prismatic Ward X Casting Time: 0.5s
    1: Increase All Resists by 80
    10: Increase AC by 315
    Slot 1, type 7: empty
    Slot 2, type 3: empty
    Required level of 100.

    AC way too low, other stats reasonable for a TS item vs group drop but could use a boost. No Dodge, Corruption, P-Ward or Aug Slots.

    The click (req 100 to click) is now a large downgrade from pre-TDS items unless the push is the primary intended value of the click and most likely still has a high resist rate on mobs that aren't debuffed in level appropriate content.

    Once again grats to those who turned a larger profit because of SOE's communication policies.
  11. Raptorjesus5 Augur

    Saw that coming a mile away to be honest. It was pretty obviously not intended. I even warned people from buying them.
  12. Lisandra Augur

    These are kinda useless at 100-105 with those stats for anything more than a toy.
  13. Maeryn Augur

    Exactly, new TDS item which has a req level to use 99 higher than the Repeating Crossbow, does 1/3 of the damage at any level you click it, has a much higher resist rate, has stats on par with req92 gear you can purchase in Baz, is missing 2 focus and a click those other items have and the ammo uses a high demand item.

    On the plus side it's one of the better non-weapon primaries in the game for no damage tanking and it has a knockback.

    The item needs far more fixing than a req level so it again becomes possible to kill Level 10 twinks in PvP.
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