Rogue weapon choice? please help if you have the answers.

Discussion in 'Melee' started by Midg, Feb 25, 2017.

  1. Midg New Member

    OK .. I'M on a TLP server and started some raiding.

    I need help knowing "which" weapons I should use with Main hand for maximum dps for my rogue. I do not parse, but if anyone has the answer on what I should be wielding in each and I would appreciate it.

    Here are the weapons I have obtained.

    ALREADY HAVE A 41% Haste item, so I do not need haste from epic.

    Primary ? Secondary?

    Dart of Immobility (BS mod) http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=17087

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    MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO TRADE PLACEABLE
    Slot: PRIMARY SECONDARY
    Skill: Piercing Atk Delay: 19
    DMG: 16 Dmg Bonus: 26
    Backstab DMG: 16
    This item is placeable in yards, guild yards, houses and guild halls.
    Skill Mod: Backstab +12% (34 Max)
    DEX: +10 STA: +10 AGI: +15 HP: +125 ENDUR: +75
    SV FIRE: +7 SV DISEASE: +7 SV COLD: +7 SV MAGIC: +7 SV POISON: +7
    Recommended level of 61. Required level of 55.
    Effect: Arachnae Venom (Combat, Casting Time: Instant)
    WT: 1.2 Size: SMALL
    Class: ROG
    Race: ALL
    Slot 1, Type 4 (Weapon: General)
    Slot 2, Type 20 (Ornamentation)


    Kalshazar (BS Mod) http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=13250


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    MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO TRADE PLACEABLE
    Slot: PRIMARY SECONDARY
    Skill: Piercing Atk Delay: 20
    DMG: 16 Dmg Bonus: 26 AC: 15
    Backstab DMG: 16
    This item is placeable in yards, guild yards, houses and guild halls.
    Skill Mod: Backstab +12% (34 Max)
    STR: +20 DEX: +10 STA: +5 AGI: +10 HP: +125
    Recommended level of 51.
    Effect: Khalshazar's Deceit (Combat, Casting Time: Instant) at Level 50
    WT: 1.0 Size: MEDIUM
    Class: ROG
    Race: ALL
    Slot 1, Type 4 (Weapon: General)
    Slot 2, Type 20 (Ornamentation)


    Tor Vignus (pierce mod) http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=10350


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    MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO TRADE PLACEABLE
    Slot: PRIMARY SECONDARY
    Skill: Piercing Atk Delay: 21
    DMG: 15 Dmg Bonus: 26
    Backstab DMG: 15
    This item is placeable in yards, guild yards, houses and guild halls.
    Skill Mod: Piercing +7% (26 Max)
    STR: +5 DEX: +5 STA: +5 HP: +25
    SV DISEASE: +10 SV POISON: +10
    Recommended level of 51.
    WT: 1.0 Size: MEDIUM
    Class: ROG
    Race: ALL
    Slot 1, Type 4 (Weapon: General)
    Slot 2, Type 20 (Ornamentation)


    Ragebringer (+40 attack) http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=4066
    MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO TRADE PLACEABLE
    Slot: PRIMARY SECONDARY
    Skill: Piercing Atk Delay: 25
    DMG: 15 Dmg Bonus: 26
    Backstab DMG: 15
    This item is placeable in yards, guild yards, houses and guild halls.
    STR: +20 DEX: +10 STA: +10 AGI: +10 HP: +100
    SV DISEASE: +10 SV MAGIC: +20 SV POISON: +20
    Attack: +40 Haste: +40%
    Effect: Seething Fury (Worn, Casting Time: Instant)
    WT: 2.5 Size: SMALL
    Class: ROG
    Race: ALL except ERU HIE TRL OGR IKS
    Slot 1, Type 4 (Weapon: General)
    Slot 2, Type 20 (Ornamentation)
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  2. mackal Augur

    primary = highest backstab damage (can use ratio as tie breaker I guess) So Dart of Immobility.
    secondary = best ratio so Khalshazar I guess :p

    Now depending on what your worn attack is ... Ragebringer might be worthy, but ideally it wouldn't. Tor Vignus would also increase your accuracy/offense stats for piercing only. (not backstab, that's a different skill)

    And rogues don't need to worry about having 2 pierces until like level 90 when they gain an AA that makes it's better to use two.
  3. Stahn New Member

    I'm not sure where you are at in progression or what your levels are but I'd recommend the Gargoyle Talon from BoT. I used it with Rage for a good long time,

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    Gargoyle Talon

    MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO TRADE PLACEABLE
    Slot: PRIMARY SECONDARY
    Skill: Piercing Atk Delay: 24
    DMG: 17 Dmg Bonus: 26
    Backstab DMG: 17
    This item is placeable in yards, guild yards, houses and guild halls.
    Skill Mod: Backstab +12% (34 Max)
    STR: +15 DEX: +10 AGI: +10 HP: +100 ENDUR: +75
    SV FIRE: +12 SV COLD: +12
    Recommended level of 61.
    WT: 1.7 Size: SMALL
    Class: ROG
    Race: ALL
    Slot 1, Type 4 (Weapon: General)
    Slot 2, Type 20 (Ornamentation)
  4. Stahn New Member

    Sorry, I misread your post. Yeah, as stated, highest damage in the primary for back-stabs. It's been a long, long time since I played a rogue, (retired at 77 and switched to shammy), but I had my bandolier with one set up for back-stabs and another for dps. As soon as you back-stab, hit the bandolier and switch to dps set up. Then, when bs refreshes, switch back. Just use whatever weapons you can get that will max your dps. Some Rogues use piercers exclusively but I always used what ever I could find if it increased my dps.
  5. Brohg Augur


    Yeah don't do that.
  6. Quazilla Journeyman

    Khalshazar - Main
    Dart of Immobility - Offhand

    Do not use Epic anymore, the ratio is not worth the 40atk

    You will lose at-least 50dps going to that ratio.

    Do LDON's for +ATK, and then Time/Elemental gear if you can (Ornate if you are not in elemental yet)
    Get a Stonewood bow for 10atk as well, and belt of great turtle if you really want more atk

    *Edit, switched them around, Kalshazar with 1 more delay in main will be optimal, especially if you really don't need to snare mobs, but you can switch hands if you need snare in the group. Procs in main hand happen more often, and you will want that -300 hate.
    The dart's -150 hate basically offsets the snare threat.
  7. Quazilla Journeyman

    Teach a Man to fish:
    Rogues want Highest backstab damage weapon in main hand as most of their damage comes from backstab.
    Rogues want best ratio in offhand as dual weild is NOT a proc on mainhand delay, but it is it's calculation every time that you would swing that weapon.

    Additional info:
    +Heroic Dex (up to +35) will increase your proc rates and chance to hit
    +ATK (Caps at 250 worn-[Avatar proc counts as worn]) will increase the damage you do when you hit.
  8. Carlos Journeyman

    Hi Midg :
    Main hand : Dart of immobility

    Off hand : Khalshazar

    At your level, it's time to start testing your dps with a parser by yourself. If you don't want to do it ask someone else to do it for you. By doing that, you will avoid bad advice coming from the forum or in game rogue channel. The gargoyle talon it's more a dagger for a group rogue. The Tor Vignus is a great dagger, but it's too late for you i guess. Anyway do your own test and see what happen.

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