So, what is our base crit chance? Looking at this, it should be 46%. I've been told DoN is 3%, though I'm not sure on that. However in reality I've never gotten that low (46+3=49%). Did an hour long parse, and came out with 59.1% hits as critical: /tell Sancus Sancus -vs- Combat Dummy Beza: -- DMG: 85610951 -- DPS: 23094 -- Scaled: 23094 -- DirDmg: 85610951 -- % dmg as normal: 19.7% -- % dmg as critical: 80.3% -- Non-crit rate: 40.9% -- crit rate: 59.1% -- Attempts: 2108 -- Hits: 2108 -- Accuracy: 100% -- Avg Hit: 40612 -- Max hit: 129294 -- DMG to PC: 0 Combat Dummy Beza on 9/1/2014 in 3707sec Sancus --- DMG: 85610951 @ 23094 sdps (23094 dps in 3707s) [100%] ------ Total: 85610951 -- DirDmg: 85610951 ------ Normal rate: 40.9% (19.7% of DMG) -- Critical rate: 59.1% (80.3% of DMG) ------ Attempts: 2108 -- Hits: 2108 -- Misses: 0 -- Defended: 0 -- Accuracy: 100% Total --- DMG: 85610951 @ 23094 sdps (23094 dps in 3707s) [100%] Special: 7: 7th Vet G: Glyph M: Secrets K: Kiss S: Staunch X: Slain $: Saved by DI Produced by GamParse v1.0.5.0 Combat Dummy Beza on 9/1/2014 Sancus - 1211 --- Blistersteel Malosenia Rk. II - 2 --- Bolt of Molten Magma Rk. III - 263 --- Force of Elements - 177 --- Iron Bolt Rk. III - 230 --- Spear of Blistersteel Rk. II - 272 --- Spear of Molten Steel Rk. II - 267 Produced by GamParse v1.0.5.0 This is with no ADPS/AAs used, maxed crit AAs/DoN.
Do procs have a different crit chance than normal spells? I'm parsing it now but it takes a *long* time to get an hour parse.
Did a second test, removed my arms/helm/primary (no procs): /tell Sancus Sancus -vs- Combat Dummy Beza: -- DMG: 61675085 -- DPS: 17122 -- Scaled: 17122 -- DirDmg: 61675085 -- % dmg as normal: 17.4% -- % dmg as critical: 82.6% -- Non-crit rate: 43.1% -- crit rate: 56.9% -- Attempts: 1193 -- Hits: 1193 -- Accuracy: 100% -- Avg Hit: 51697 -- Max hit: 102542 -- DMG to PC: 0 Combat Dummy Beza on 9/1/2014 in 3602sec Sancus --- DMG: 61675085 @ 17122 sdps (17122 dps in 3602s) [100%] ------ Total: 61675085 -- DirDmg: 61675085 ------ Normal rate: 43.1% (17.4% of DMG) -- Critical rate: 56.9% (82.6% of DMG) ------ Attempts: 1193 -- Hits: 1193 -- Misses: 0 -- Defended: 0 -- Accuracy: 100% Total --- DMG: 61675085 @ 17122 sdps (17122 dps in 3602s) [100%] Special: 7: 7th Vet G: Glyph M: Secrets K: Kiss S: Staunch X: Slain $: Saved by DI Produced by GamParse v1.0.5.0 Combat Dummy Beza on 9/1/2014 Sancus - 1149 --- Blistersteel Malosenia Rk. II - 3 --- Bolt of Molten Magma Rk. III - 259 --- Force of Elements - 173 --- Iron Bolt Rk. III - 172 --- Spear of Blistersteel Rk. II - 273 --- Spear of Molten Steel Rk. II - 269 Produced by GamParse v1.0.5.0 Kinda disappointed that such a long test has that much variance (~59% vs ~57%), but it doesn't look like procs were artifically upping the crit chance. So, if the DoN AA is only 1%... Our base (with max AAs other than DoN) should be at least 56%.
Here's some more data for you - Level 100 mage, max aa, casting Broiling Sands / Blast of Sand with Twincast up: Total Hits: 5722Total Crits: 3350Normal rate: 41.454%Crit rate: 58.546% No buffs or tribute or auras/etc. Will continue to parse, and maybe repeat without gear.
Thanks! So it's looking to be in the range of 58-59%. Combining all of the parses I took: /tell Sancus Sancus -vs- Combined: Combat Dummy Beza: -- DMG: 159569274 -- DPS: 19788 -- Scaled: 19788 -- DirDmg: 159569274 -- % dmg as normal: 18.9% -- % dmg as critical: 81.1% -- Non-crit rate: 42% -- crit rate: 58% -- Attempts: 3550 -- Hits: 3550 -- Accuracy: 100% -- Avg Hit: 44949 -- Max hit: 129294 -- DMG to PC: 0 Did a (albeit very short) parse with Twincast running. My buffs were First Spire, Enc Third Spire, Glyph of Courage (21%+7%+15%=43%), and twincast. With a 57+% base crit rate, we'd crit 100%: /tell Sancus Sancus -vs- Combat Dummy Beza: -- DMG: 38057266 -- DPS: 63641 -- Scaled: 63641 -- DirDmg: 38057266 -- % dmg as critical: 100% -- crit rate: 100% -- Attempts: 338 -- Hits: 338 -- Accuracy: 100% -- Avg Hit: 112595 -- Max hit: 157687 -- DMG to PC: 0 Not enough hits to conclude anything, but follows the general trend.
My final result: Total hits: 15322 Total crits: 9074 Normal rate: 40.778% Crit rate: 59.222% Mine + Sancus' combined parse: Total hits: 18872 Total crits: 11133 Normal rate: 41.0078% Crit rate: 58.9922% It's pretty likely mage base crit chance is 59%. I thought it was 47%, so this is interesting. In various places DoN is reported 1%, 2% or 3% crit chance. The reason I was going with 1% is because of this parse on the mage forum (took place during UF): Code: Crits Hits Observed Expected Effects ----- ---- -------- -------- ------- 101 10624 0.0095 0.0100 Power of the Keepers Maybe it's not a long enough parse or something changed after UF, do you have another source for 3%?
Believe wizards have 42%? Wasn't really looking to compare classes, just curious on ours from an ADPS perspective (ability timing)... Looking at just passive crit chance won't get you much (activateable abilities add in so many variables - crit chance, crit damage, spell foci, etc).
Not sure how you're getting this... Just combined my total parse for today, 5462 total hits, 2707 critical hits. 49.6%....
Well that's certainly a lot closer to where it theoretically is supposed to be (49% if DoN is 3%). 59% doesn't seem right, but... I don't know what would lead to the gap in numbers (other then the RNG).
Yes wiz are 42%. Don't have any parses, have always accepted it to be true. I know with 59% added critrate from spells wiz crits 100% of the time, but with 55% (arcane destruction) they do not. If DoN were 1% the former would not work.
If there is no parse showing wizards are at 42%, maybe they are not. Mages were supprised at what their crit rate is at. Wizards should be tested too before assuming they have a lower rate.
Wizards have a critical chance lower than mages....our aa has not kept up with Fury of magic. Everytime i have checked parses without using activated critical stuff I see 39 to 41 percent on average. I'm max aa and DoN aa.
I suppose there is the question - does it matter? Wizards rock mages for damage. Why does it matter if its done one way vs another?
I was just giving information. I was just clarifying that wizards have a lower passive critical chance. On a side note....Wizards rock mages on a short burn. Anything longer than that, mages are VERY competitive with wizards. If your mages never compete with wizards you need to kick...er....sweet talk them a little.
I just told you we don't crit 100% of the time when arcane destruction (+55%) is the only crit rate mod spell we have on, which means max 44%. I also told you we do crit 100% of the time with a total of 59% crit rate mod spells on (typically Auspice +30%, bard epic +12%, IoG +10%, and ench 3rd spire +7%), which means the minimum it could be would be 41%. If you parse it *now* you're gonna get downwardly skewed results due to arcane fusion currently being hard coded to crit only 15% of the time which is probably why Naugrin got 39-41%, take out the arcane fusion procs and probably looks like 41-43% gee hmmm that sounds almost right!
