Get rid of keying

Discussion in 'Time Locked Progression Servers' started by kathulu20, May 23, 2020.

  1. kathulu20 Journeyman

    I love this game! And there is so much I have never seen because I can't spend the time to camp to get keys. Any chance we could forget keying this round? Would it break the game?
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  2. Tierdal Augur

    put the work in to key for stuff?
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  3. Trevalon Augur

    Honestly, now that I'm 8 servers and 14 years into TLP servers...I would be ok with getting rid of keys lol.

    At least they made VP easier....
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  4. RandomStrategy Augur

    For the love of all that is good, DPG, at leasg make the Fungus Grove shard drop off of more mobs...six in the entire zone on 20 minute respawn timers is stupid.

    Same for the rate in Maiden's Eye.
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  5. Skuz Augur

    Changing the existing keying quests to something else would require a fair bit of work to redesign them.

    Changes have been made but those tended to make the quests require more interaction than less (removing the ability to Multi-Quest medallions for VP access for example).

    I wouldn't object to making them less "grindy" by increasing drop rates of parts or increasing the number of spawn locations or increasing the spawn rates of ground spawns & types of mobs that can drop parts.

    Some like the grind, I was never a fan of too much grind but everyone has a different sense of how much grind is enough to make it valuable & where too much makes it just a bad player experience.

    So my feeling is that the quests should stay as is just alleviate the grind on the worst time-sinks involved, nobody wants to feel like they are taking time for the sake of taking time.
  6. Glow Augur

    Having gotten fully keyed on multiple servers, I agree, get rid of keying or jack up the spawns on everything x10.

    Honestly get rid of it would be easier.
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  7. sumnayin2 Augur

    You could always just not get keyed. Nothing in VP is even worth the effort unless you don't mind getting the key. The only people to blame for people that have "done the key on 8 TLPs" are the people that do 8 TLPs. #Lifechoicesmatter
  8. Magickon Elder

    If you don't think VP is worth it, why do you even play at all in kunark?
  9. Tucoh Augur

    +1 vote for removing keys or increasing their drop rates
  10. Dythan Augur

    -1 casuals should not see keyed content. No key is impossible, or a barrier to content. It is literally the minimum required to play EQ. If you can't muster that amount of effort, hello kitty is available.
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  11. Trevalon Augur


    Look a Resolute try hard. As one of the few that created that guild tag your currently sporting, I can say we are all disappointed in you.
  12. Dythan Augur

    Log back in and let's discuss it. Happy to have you back in the fold, conquering new content and earning new loots.
  13. Glow Augur

    The key is not at all the minimum what are you high?

    The VP key was an absolute slog to get, with several ridiculously brutal spawns that were obscenely contested.

    With the general crowding of the server and the lack of meaningful VP loot, the key makes no sense in its current form.

    Now if you were to make the key incredibly fast spawn rate, with the various nameds and ground spawns being much much much faster than I could see a justification for requiring you go to KC and the bottom of chardok and so on to get it. As it current stands that would likely be considerably more effort than just removing it entirely.

    Either way 40 people with autoclickers sitting around a ground spot is not "the minimum required". The general knowledge, competitiveness, and dikishness of the key lead to very few raids even being able to go, and seeing as VP is the only real raid in the whole expansion, it seems insane to me to keep the key requirement.

    I'd like to actually raid VP, all I've done is solo in it, which was an exclusive and fun experience, but not really the same thing as going through with a proper raid, and I'd consider myself to be very hardcore.
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  14. Xeris Augur

    If you couldn't raid VP in era you're definitely not very hardcore. I like the barriers to entry. I don't think things should just be handed to people. Put in the work to get the key. In era anyone can get the key that wants to. You may not be the first, but you can get it.

    The first few weeks of Kunark is gonna be terrible, but by week 8-9 it'll be pretty easy to get the key. Even as a casual gamer you should be able to do it in a few hours worth near the end of the expansion. Not sure why that's an issue...
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  15. enclee Augur


    I'd like to see keying be more player friendly. Expansions exist in a shorter timeline. Increase the spawns or make the all keys work like the ToFS floors. In ToFS only 1 member needs the key to move the group.
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  16. Minpire Augur

    +25% to Key Drop rates can allow more players to do more things than waste 2-3 weeks of keying Members out of a 3month time frame.
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  17. Xeris Augur

    Hardcore guild will get keys to VP and be raiding VP for 11/12 weeks of Kunark. Casual guilds will raid VP for 3-4 weeks at the end of the expac... There's nothing wrong with this system
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  18. Skuz Augur

    In later expansions keys that drop from raid kills or flags for items that record amount of kills do get increased on accelerated unlock schedule servers, so in my view that sets a reasonable precedent.

    I do not want the actual keys removed or the quests changed, but I would like to see them made much faster due to how much shorter each expansion is "in era" on accelerated unlock schedule TLP's.

    I think speeding up the keying process for earlier expansions is actually long overdue on TLP.
    Players should still have to earn the access to those zones but they don't have 12 months per expansion like live servers did they have 1/4 of that on the Mangler/Aradune/Rizlona unlock system.

    I would propose doubling the spawn rate of key mobs & ground spawns, and Doubling the likelihood of mobs dropping things like Lucid Shards on a 12 week unlock expansion. This would bring the earlier expansions into line with the way later ones are keyed.
    Once the Hardcore guilds are done ( at a doubled rate they would be done & out of the way of everyone else far faster) the less hardcore guilds can get theirs done & everyone will get a reasonable amount of time to farm the raid events.
  19. Roxas MM Elder

    keys to end zones are an important part of EQ, since Kunark. sure some stuff can be eased down a bit, but removing keys is a big no in my view. if you want the best possible gear in era, you have to put some effort in it.
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  20. Pawtato Augur

    -1 keying for content only existed because the content behind the keys wasn’t finished. I thought everyone knew that SOE used to lie about the existence of key mobs to hide that they were releasing things that were broke AF.

    Unfortunately, a bunch of people that tied their self-worth to RNG spawn cycles defended that system. Now, we have to forever deal with bad game development.

    Edited for autocorrect.
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