Enchanter Dots Dont Crit

Discussion in 'Casters' started by tmplatten, Feb 10, 2017.

  1. tmplatten Lorekeeper

    Critical infliction AA allow Enchanters dots to crit.
    They are not critting and our dps has gone down 50%.
    That is RIDICulous!

    DOTS CRIT it's what they do.
    Enchanters cast DOTS and DOTS CRIT!
    How could they possibly not crit? Is this nerf Enchanter and make us suck week?

    I just tested and I did not get one single crit and my dps is W A Y lower.
  2. Sancus Augur

    Yes they do:

    [Fri Feb 10 14:53:46 2017] You begin casting Mind Storm.
    [Fri Feb 10 14:53:48 2017] Test Ten cringes in pain.
    [Fri Feb 10 14:53:51 2017] Test Ten has taken 26040 damage from your Mind Storm.
    [Fri Feb 10 14:53:57 2017] Test Ten has taken 26040 damage from your Mind Storm.
    [Fri Feb 10 14:54:03 2017] Test Ten has taken 123690 damage from your Mind Storm. -> Crit
    [Fri Feb 10 14:54:09 2017] Test Ten has taken 26040 damage from your Mind Storm.
    [Fri Feb 10 14:54:15 2017] Test Ten has taken 26040 damage from your Mind Storm.
    [Fri Feb 10 14:54:22 2017] Test Ten has taken 123690 damage from your Mind Storm. -> Crit
    [Fri Feb 10 14:54:28 2017] Test Ten has taken 26040 damage from your Mind Storm.
    [Fri Feb 10 14:54:28 2017] Your Mind Storm spell has worn off of Test Ten.

    [Fri Feb 10 14:55:48 2017] You begin casting Drown.
    [Fri Feb 10 14:55:50 2017] Test Ten begins to choke.
    [Fri Feb 10 14:55:54 2017] Test Ten has taken 48815 damage from your Drown. -> Crit
    [Fri Feb 10 14:56:00 2017] Test Ten has taken 10277 damage from your Drown.
    [Fri Feb 10 14:56:06 2017] Test Ten has taken 10277 damage from your Drown.
    [Fri Feb 10 14:56:12 2017] Test Ten has taken 48815 damage from your Drown. -> Crit
    [Fri Feb 10 14:56:18 2017] Test Ten has taken 10277 damage from your Drown.
    [Fri Feb 10 14:56:24 2017] Test Ten has taken 10277 damage from your Drown.
    [Fri Feb 10 14:56:30 2017] Test Ten has taken 10277 damage from your Drown.
    [Fri Feb 10 14:56:37 2017] Test Ten has taken 10277 damage from your Drown.
    [Fri Feb 10 14:56:43 2017] Test Ten has taken 10277 damage from your Drown.
    [Fri Feb 10 14:56:49 2017] Test Ten has taken 48815 damage from your Drown. -> Crit
    [Fri Feb 10 14:56:49 2017] Your Drown spell has worn off of Test Ten.

    DoTs don't explicitly say when they crit, but you can clearly see the damage change, and the math checks out (26040*4.75=123690, 10277*4.75=48815).
  3. tmplatten Lorekeeper


    Okay but we were getting 500k dot crits
    and I have not seen any dot crits in my spell crit window?
  4. tmplatten Lorekeeper




    okay and are our dots critting for MAJOR dps decrease? Yeah I used to see them crittin all the time in the crit window
  5. Sancus Augur

    You had and continue to have a 30% DoT crit chance and a 375% crit damage modifier. Nothing has changed in that regard. 500k DoT crits would result from a combination of other factors that weren't present in that test (IoG, focus AAs, rank 3 spells, worn foci, etc), assuming they did happen.

    Thus far you've posted absolutely no data to support your claim that something has changed with DoT crits, which based on the testing I've done is inaccurate.

    All you're doing is distracting from the actual nerfs Enchanters took in this patch.
    IblisTheMage, tmplatten and gotwar like this.
  6. tmplatten Lorekeeper


    I agree with what you said. Waiting 25sec for unity cast makes us much more vulnerable to death. I have never played with more than one unity spell, that never occurred to me. 25 seconds IS WAY TOO LONG and it seems very unreasonable. It makes our class weaker, while group survival is the main task of an enchanter. An enchanter with no runes available will die fast and ugly. His entire team will die more often, since he has less runes to keep himself or others alive. I think the 25s is unreasonable, greatly undesired; perhaps a rash decision by people who have never played the class, and therefore do not understand this is a HUGE nerf to the class; newbs and masters at the art.
  7. Fian Augur

    I haven't seen anything in test, but I do know that pre-patch I have been seeing occasional crits of 500k/600k and IOG is not running. Patch isn't out yet so I can't say if that is still the case.
  8. Boohoo Journeyman


    I have seen the same results with test I have run.
  9. Boohoo Journeyman


    I believe you mean 2.5 sec with is only 1 sec more then it is currently. Unity rune has a recast time of 12 sec. All this is going to do is prevent us from rune tanking. We are a robe class and were never meant to tank. If you increase your AC, Keep your spell guards up, and use AA rune I do not see a problem staying allive.

    [IMG]
    History | Raw Spell Data
    [IMG]


    Enticer's Unity


    Enchanter (105)

    Slot 1: Cast: Polyrefractive Rune
    Slot 2: Cast: Enticer's Rune



    Mana: 4385
    Casting Time: 0.5s
    Recast Time: 12s
    Spell Bar Lockout: 1.5s
    Interruptable: Yes
    Dispellable: Yes
    Duration: 1 tick
    Skill: Alteration
    Hate Override: 5000

    Target: Self
    Spell Type: Beneficial: Blockable
    Song Window: Yes



    Items with this effect:



    In Game Description: Grants you the benefits of both a Polyiridescent and a Mastermind's Rune.
  10. Oymentrubel New Member

    I have no idea what the OP is talking about unless I missed something in the year and a half I was gone. I have a level 105 Chanty that has been group only since his beginning on Oct 13, 2002. I return and log in for the anniversary quests with some friends and go off to help Fippy. I do my tash/slow/dot/dot/dot routine and the next thing I know I am getting a free trip to the mob. My buddy was parsing it and apparently Mind Storm Rk II critted for 427,932 on one tic. While that was high most of them critted for the mid 200, 000 range. SCS is maxxed and on but not helping enough. Now a tash/slow/dot is all I can do before getting the free ride.