Didn't think the heritage crate change through did you?

Others would disagree as there is a large amount of difference in value between items and if you get something that you can't use and have a hard time trading for something you can use it is worthless.

You are not losing anything. It is only gambling when you can LOSE something. You possibly gaining more than the value is not gambling. You being guaranteed as getting at least what you put in is not gambling. That is what all loot boxes are period.

You are losing the Daybreak Cash that you spent on it when you get items that you can't use/trade away or items that you don't want. The fact that you are getting something at random is what makes it gambling and there are some areas of the world that want to make items like this illegal.

I don't know how you sampled the population of EQ players to make this statement, but you're objectively wrong. Many people in my guild on Mangler TLP was saying how bad this change was before it happened. And I find it hard to believe we are unique.

They are speaking for themselves. They didn't sample anyone to make this statement. They just came onto the forums and acted like they speak for the majority of players when they have no clue what the majority of players think.

A better option would be to introduce TLP-only crates?

No the better option would be for these crates to be available when TLP servers reach the relevant expansions, as it is now they are there for a limited time and no one knows if/when they will ever come back so there is a fair chance TLPs will miss out on those mounts and port items completely.

Pretty sure any one can search the forums and read all the complaints from posts where TLP players could not claim this item or that item. Don't have to do a poll in game for that.

But of more interest is how your guildies were saying this was a bad change before it happened. There was no announcement other than test patch notes and game patch notes when it actually happened..

Due to laws in other countries regarding loot crates, probably best to block all marketplace purchases outside of the USA.

No, you got an item that is valued at that price. That is the basis for all currency based trade in the modern world. Except that you CAN use the items. The fact that you don't want to use them is a different issue. The value of the items you don't want are the price of the crate. The value of the items that you do want greatly exceeds the cost of a crate. Also, it 100% never happens with Heritage crates or LoN Loot because you can always trade the items to others without exception, the value of all the items in the Heritage crates is 799 Daybreak Cash. Some items might be worth more than others, but never less than that 799 value.

Buying something that includes randomness does not make something gambling. Gambling explicitly means that you risk something and end up with a lesser net value than you would have had before. That does not happen with any kind of loot box. You always get at minimum the price that you spent. You can get more value than you spent, but never less.

If the heritage crates could result possibly give you nothing, then that would be gambling. Or if the heritage crates gave out items which were sold in the Marketplace for less than 799, then that would be gambling. But neither of those things happen. You always get something and it is not capable of being created at a lower price from the Marketplace. Add to this the fact that you can always sell the items to others you are not losing value if you get a duplicate. There is no gamble here. You are just not guaranteed to get exactly what you want, and you not being guaranteed what you want doesn't make it gambling.

The countries with those laws, should also be blocking sale of things like comic books and anything else which has variant covers or add ons which might be worth more than the price but never less than the price. I would also bet that the court decisions involving it found that it was possible for the items given to be capable of being purchased for less than the price of the loot box.

Kind of answered your own question didn't you? Test patch notes came out 4/11. Live patch came 4/19. I also don't know how that is of more interest, unless trying but failing to be clever is interesting to you.

Catpaws interpretation of what you said is the most reasonable one. You said that people in your guild were complaining about it before it happened. It first happened on Test and it wasn't mentioned until that same patch, so they could not have complained about it before it happened. Maybe before it went to Live, but not before it happened.

The odds are "the house wins" every time.

This article is from April of this year. Seems only a very few countries have banned loot boxes as gambling.

https://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/the-15-billion-question-have-loot-boxes-turned-video-gaming-into-gambling

It doesn't matter what the value of the item you get from the loot chest, the fact that it is random and you could get a low value item of no use to you or a high value item that you can use or trade is what makes it gambling. Players end up paying either their free Daybreak cash or purchased Daybreak cash for a chance at an item they want which is gambling and there are countries around the world that call loot boxes gambling.

That is not gambling. Words have specific meanings. Not getting what you want does not make what you are doing gambling.

Yes it is

You are still paying for it (consideration) by buying loot crates until you get what you want or give up. Risk is there because there is a random (and fairly high) chance that you won't get the rarer item that you are looking at and you will need to buy another loot crate. And of course there are the prizes with the more desirable ones being rare and harder to get.

The definition of gambling doesn't include the value of the prizes and when you are talking about a digital item such as this the value becomes less important because it doesn't cost Daybreak anything.

You are buying an item that has a value of 799 digital currency. You get an item with a value of 799 digital currency, many of the items have an additional value in game. You are always getting what you paid for or more. That is not gambling. There is no risk because you do not lose anything, you only gain. You not gaining as much as you like is not you losing something.

For literally, thousands of years gambling has explicitly involved the value of what you put in vs what you get out; with the specification that if you always got out more than what you put in, that was not gambling.
What it costs Daybreak does not affect the value of the item.

There are several studies (done in Europe) that show loot boxes and slots machines have similar response from their users. Just because laws lag behind the times doesn't make it not gambling. Loot boxes shouldn't be in games without it being properly regulated.

To me the fact that you will get something out of the crate nullifies the "gamble" part of it. Be it some potions or mounts you got something for your money. So now it becomes a game of chance.

Gamble to me is when you have a chance to get nothing, nada, zip. Like going to a casino and putting money into the slot machine and never wining. That is a gamble.

How do you thing fairs have gotten away with those games for years? They are called games of chance. Not gambling.