I know that writing 2 posts in 2 days about the same matter is not the best idea, but i have to reach justice, especially talking about Betelgeuse. So i could actually understand lowering it's ADS modifier to balance it with other factions. BUT why do you nerf muzzle velocity down to 540(also MSW-R 550) ?? To make it SMG? Why do you nerf cooldown speed by 20% ?? This is way too much !! I think it's done to make sure noone will ever touch that weapon again. Choose at least one of these 3 negative changes ! Considering the last failed update that was cancelled the very next day, so many bugs in the game at this moment, and newly appeared hackers that we meet every day, this update will only make you loose more and more players, so i suggest that you think twice before doing this. Thanks for the attention. Regards, FoxmanVS from Miller.
As i said, they can remove what they consider OP, but making VS LMGs(especially betelgeuse) complete crap is not a good idea. With today's game situation it will bring more discontent...
Dude. It has unlimited ammo. No main weapon has unlimited ammo. Except for few other VS weapons, which are far more situational than LMGs.
540m/s is more around semi-auto sniper rifles and 1st gen sniper rifles. SMGs are like 300-400m/s. Also, Polaris and SVA got a lot more interesting. Feels good to have more LMGs to choose from instead of knowing I am using an inferior weapon if I do not use the Orion/BG.
I really don't see reason to use SVA anymore, the only advantage it had was ADS modifier, now when Orion has almost same accuracy with bigger DPS, SVA becomes completely useless.
Why nerf Beetlejuice? http://ps2oraclestats.com/?stat=kpu&weapon1=1879&weapon2=1894&weapon3=1924 If these changes make purple line not be miles above red and blue line then they're good changes. And if Vanu stop using Beetlejuice because of it, than it's another nice proof to what Higby once said. "VS won't use something unless it's OP."
SVA will not get useless because of the new way the orion will work but beause its more expensive than the Pulsar LUV wich is nearly the same weapon and after the patch it will get access to extended mag wich is really interesting for bigger fights in close to midrange situations (so biolabs and other strucktures). until now the only real difference between SVA and LUW was the 0,75ads because with a grip the LUW was nearly as accurate as the SVA. Good for free players because the luw is cheaper (bad that the prices got higher but i bet thats just a coincidence "cough********cough"). The orion will still be a good weapon and on pts its a lot easyer to get targets which are further away than it is now. I like the new Orion and i dont think that vanu HAs will stop playing vanu or HA. Also its possible now to test all auraxium directive weapons on the testserver (the full pack per faction is 1 cert there) and the betelgeuse is still an extremely strong weapon. good accuracy (not as good as orion with grip) and the cooldown is slower (yes 20% are a little too much) but it is still a really good weapon and i dont think that anyone who ons the orion will stop playing it excep for those fights where bigger mags (future pulsar LUW with extended mag/flare and perhaps ursa if you like realy slow weapons) or more acuracy over range are important (SVA / LUW with grip/ flare / ns15m). Yes, getting rid of the 0,75ADS into the "everything becomes the same but in 3 different colors" direction but i couldnt care less, like for the slower muzzle velocity which is still good especially within the ranges those weapons are meant to be used in.
Actually (minirant) the bulletvelocities on sniperrifles are pretty horrible, so a comparison to them usually turns out pretty favorable. The TSAR and KS-35 have a measly 500meter/sec. EVERY lmg has more than this. EVERY assaultrifle has more than this. Nearly half the carbines have more than this (basically most of them that aren't smg-like CQC bullethoses). So, well... even after these changes, these LMGs (even the ones that are spesifically CQC specialists) will still be 10% faster than a comperable bolt-action rifle, so I'm not sure that LMGs should complain too loudly about bulletvelocities. SMGs are a totally different category in terms of speed - barely over half that of most LMGs - so that is hyperbole by the OP. -Stigma
698/143 just isn't competitive. Look to the Pulsar AR as proof of that. It's more accurate and has less recoil than the SVA, but it's still not a competitive gun. Yes, you can kill random players that are worse than yourself, but against a same skilled opponent using a competitive gun, you lose.
No one is going to use the Pulsar LSW, even if they give it 4000 round mags, unless it's god awful recoil is fixed. It's a strictly terrible weapon, and no amount of ammo is going to fix it. The SVA is going to be in a similar boat, unless it's recoil gets reduced considerably. It will be a plain downgrade from an Orion, even after the Orion nerf. The change to the Polaris looks good on paper, but in practice it will be largely meaningless. 652/143 guns kill painfully slowly, even point blank, without headshots, and it's a 4 headshot kill from 0 to infinity. Extending a painfully slow kill 10 more meters isn't going make it any more competitive. There was no change to the Flare or Ursa, and they aren't competitive now, so call that par for the course I guess. The end result is that the Orion is still going to be the only real choice, even after the nerf. Especially considering the 20% cooldown nerf to the BG, which will render it more or less unusable unless you find a group of exceptionally bad player to farm.
ROFL!!! VS will still steamroll other factions even after the nerf. We're use to nerfs. But keep telling yourselfs you'll do better.
What idiot would use something inferior to what there enemy is using. If you view it as a challenge...kudos to you, otherwise you're an idiot.
SVA will still be > LSW because it doesn't have a 14/17 right angle pull, which makes the LSW more random and harder to compensate for than SVA's 0/0 which you just need to pull down with. Also Extended Mag is just not worth sacrificing a forward grip for an already high enough mag size weapon. It's not that they're more situational, it's that they're based on the worst default weapons. Orion is the best starting VS weapon, while Solstice and Pulsar VS1 are guns that aren't even worth using with infinite ammo, and especially not when it costs a forward grip. If there was something like the Pulsar C and Terminus with the heat mechanic I'd definitely be grinding those out. That plus HA just has more "staying alive" capability in most situations to make it more likely you'll make use of infinite ammo. Though the heat mechanic itself has some advantages over regular reloading sometimes too. It's time for serious infantry balancing, which needs to come with improvements to the lacking VS weapons as well as adjusting some of NC's out of line guns. VS has no good LMGs aside from those with .75 ADS. Also, the Anchor's accuracy advantage and headshot TTK for example makes it superior to MSW-R and a post-nerf Orion. And it and the EM6 are just better than TR and VS's 167 dmg LMGs. I'm 100% for removing .75 ADS from LMGs entirely, but that alone doesn't fix LMG balance, it just puts the "first place" faction at the bottom and the second place faction(NC) at the top.
