I'm out.

Yoda · Jun 30, 2013

ChuckDM said: ↑

“I am 5.5 months into a 6 month sub and have over $280 invested in this game. And I'm quitting. I don't want to. I want a MMOFPS that's fun to play with a small group of 4 or 5 friends. And PS2 is the closest thing to that I've found. But I' quitting. And just in case someone at SOE actually gives a rat's *** about getting my business back, I'm posting why here. Take it or leave it.

1) Clans ruin PVP games. This is a universal fact. Clans make lone wolfing impossible. I understand the reasons why this exists, and I'm not suggesting they be removed. I'm just noting that, once you add clans to a game, nobody who isn't in a clan has ANY chance to compete.

2) VOIP ruins any game, PVP or otherwise. Quick comms solve this problem. They allow you to relay all the information you need without any of the other BS you get from having VOIP. Why on earth PS2 had to include VOIP when you already have an excellent quick comm UI I will never understand. If players cannot coordinate between ext chat, quick comms, spotting, map waypoints, and 4 different kinds of freaking smoke, then guess what? They just suck and VOIP won't help. Ever.

3) Everything in the game is balanced. It's all just balanced poorly. I'm not saying it isn't all 100% equal in some way - I am one of the few people who thinks PS2 is a very well balanced game. What I mean is, the method used to achieve this balance is broken. It leads to 3 factions where the single largest distinguishing factor is a color change. The guns all sound a little different, but all shoot the same. The whole "no bullet drop" thing doesn't count. This COULD work, and WOULD count, except that PS2 has no mid range combat. Everyone wither kills within 25m, or they snipe, and the VS snipers have drop just like everyone else. Thus, within 25m is the only place people score most kills, but within 25m drop has 0 effect. The classes are universally the same across all factions - i.e. a VS infiltrator is really no different than a TR infiltrator. The lone reason to pick one faction over the other is either tank or ESF preference. Otherwise, same thing on all sides.

Fixing this is not hard. Raise all gun accuracy 50% when scoped, lower it all 50% when hip firing, and increase minimum drop off to 40m and max to 120m. Boom, mid range combat achieved.

4) Multiple duplicate guns. For every class of weapon on every faction, there are 2 or even 3 guns that have a single stat changed. Example: GR-22 and Carnage BR. Both the same damn gun, only one has a SLIGHTLY lower bullet velocity - which because of the aforementioned lack of mid range combat means nothing. Otherwise, same damage, same drop off, same accuracy. Same gun. And the worst part is, the ROF change is so minor, you're better off picking the slower one just to reduce recoil a tiny bit - TTK remains unchanged in actual gameplay. There is no excuse for this crap. Every gun in every class should have a LARGE difference between the other guns in its class. For example, GR-22 should be over 30% higher ROF but 30% lower damage. BIG differences. Otherwise no sense buying both.

5) Scoping is dead. For a game that's all about teamwork and filled with "professional" players, if you don't hip-fire you lose, every time. This is wrong. This is what a 12-year-old catering series like CoD should be doing. PS2 should be better than this. Why have 10 scopes for every weapon is the only one you can score with is "none?" Once again, the fix here isn't complicated. Scoping should provide ZERO movement penalty. You are already losing valuable time to play the scope-in animation and narrowing your field of view so you are less aware of flanking. At the very least scoping should impose no movement penalty so you can dodge SOME incoming fire.

6) Sniper rifles are too slow. A SMG can put down 1600 points of damage in a matter of less than 3 seconds. Bolt-action sniper cannot do the same, even though it only takes 2 bullets to do so. Why? Because sniper rifle bullet velocity is so low that even if you could pull both shots off that fast, neither will hit your target 80% of the time. Buffing sniper rifle damage would break the game, but buffing velocity - something close to 200% of other bullets, around 1500m/s, is reasonable. If this means a reduction in their body shot damage, that is fair. As long as they can hit a target past 150m more than 20% of the time, I don't care if they do less damage than a beamer!

7) The beamer sucks. Minor complaint by comparison, but seriously, just replace the beamer with the Manticore and give VS a chargeup pistol or something. The fact that the beamer is considered to be an equal with the TX1 or Mag-Shot says a lot about what the devs consider to be "balanced" in this game.

8) Add Shield Mitigation. This is a feature from RTS games mostly, where the more damage from one specific source a shield takes, the more resistant to that type of damage it becomes. PS2 needs this badly. With this, simply pouring a clip from a carbine into the other player won't score you a kill. This isn't a bad thing! However, pair this with a squadmate using a shotgun and easy 2-man kills. Encourages teamwork in a game that really doesn't (teamwork != 200-player zerg)

9) Turrets need a shield. It needs to be immune to tank rounds and ESF rockets. This would require infantry go first and clear out turrets, or else, tanks suffer heavy losses during big zergs. Encourages teamwork and slows zergs - double win.

10) Dying is too easy. Killing is also too easy. Probably my biggest complaint. Many other FPS games seem to do this ratio much better. Section 8: Prejudice in particular did an excellent job on this - it was harder to kill people and harder to be killed. Both took more than 1 clip from every weapon in the game, save a sniper head shot. I shouldn't have to spend OVER half my play time walking back to the objective - the one that's only 80m away. The ease with which people get kills in this game is insanity. Bullets should do less damage (but be more accurate) and all health pools should be tripled. Minimum.

11) Stop rewarding bad gameplay. I saw one of the interviews with one of the devs about how SOE is trying to "encourage" a certain behavior. Which behavior would that be?! Two ESFs can lock down a spawn room forever. A lone lib can do the same. Tanks have a TTK of 20s+ and take 4+ rockets to down from even the best launchers (and against even the weakest tanks). The flash is like speeding around on a motorized "please kill me now" neon sign that steers like a drunken llama. And the #1 way to get kills in a harasser now? Running people over! It's like you're telling everyone "infantry combat is lame. grab a vehicle or be cannon fodder, your call." In a game where only infantry can cap points and thus win battles, this is a bad message to promote.

Camping should be punished HEAVILY. Kills within 10s of enemy spawns should reward 0 XP and not count on K/D (for both killer and enemy). More than 10 such kills in a row should give an automatic suicide. More than 2 lives worth of team damage should also force automatic suicide. All rockets should do double their current damage, but fly 50% slower. All flares need to be removed from aircraft - the only way to avoid being shot down should be breaking LoS. Tanks can keep smoke because breaking LoS is harder, but it should be a consumable item, not a free recharge. All infantry suits need a hyper drive mode that provides a 200% speed boost when sprinting in a straight line so a flash isn't REQUIRED to traverse more than 100m.

12) All class abilities should be buffed. Infiltrator cloaks should last as long as the current Flash cloak, and the flash cloak should be doubled. Infiltrators should be able to fire without manually deactivating cloak too. And hacking should work while cloaked. Jump Jets need to include stabilizers so you can hit a target when jumping, and they should perform a minor AoE when hitting the ground from a sufficient height. LA also should have their fall damage start from twice as high - jumping off the top floor of most wall towers should result in no damage for LA. Medics should pass out revive syringes instead of having to wait on the heal gun (like Brink) so they can res people faster. They should be able to do this without switching away from their primary weapon, as well. Engineers should have a triage-like repair ability that repairs all nearby vehicles automatically. Their repair tool shouldn't overheat, ever, unless you want to add overheating to the medic gun. Heavy shields should all work like resist shields, should last 40s, reduce all damage by 75%, but slow movement also by 75%, turning them into a true "tank" class. A TR heavy should be able to empty all 100 bullets in a clip while under heavy fire and not die yet. If he can't, tweak until he can. This is basic, and pretty obvious.

Maxes should be moved to vehicle terminals and drastically reworked. They should be more like small mechs than mere armor suits. They should have vehicle-grade weapons, instead of just being better-than-infantry stuff. They should ALL have anchor, shield, and a leap ability as well. And they should be exitable just like any other vehicle. Last, they shouldn't fit through doorways. Indoors should be the domain of infantry and infantry ALONE and vehicles, MAXes included, should be unable to contribute to that at all.

13) In a game filled with flash-fabrication, everything should be more adaptable. Vehicle turrets should change to match the occupant, not be forced at loadout. Infiltrator turrets fire EMP rays that lock vehicle movement (but not gunfire) and scramble HUDs. LA turrets would be a low-damage rapid-fire machine gun like the Kobalt. Medic would get a heal turret, engineer a repair turret, both with a 40m range but requiring user targeting. HA gets a rocket turret that's steerable. This should apply to all turrets, not just vehicle turrets. Stationary turrets at stations could do the same. This would also make their placement in the middle of some points more useful.

On the same note, ammo types should be many, varied, and switchable on-the-fly. EMP, Incendary, Explosive, High Velocity, and Armor Piercing rounds should be available on all guns and have drastic effects. Switching between types several times per hostile should be encouraged, or else pairing with someone else currently firing a different type should be very effective. Once again, encourages teamwork.

And all sights above 2x should have adjustable zoom instead of a single, static zoom level. Sniper scopes should have 12 steps between 6x and 12x at 0.5x intervals. Normal carbine/rifle/etc scopes should do the same from 2.4x to 4.8x at 0.4x intervals. Night Vision should be a rail accessory like grenade launchers and toggle-able as needed on ALL guns. Night vision range, on everything in the whole damn game, should be matching the high end of the damage drop off of the weapon, not a static limit for all infantry or vehicle weapons.

NONE OF THIS IS A SECRET. IT IS ALL OBVIOUS. I CANNOT BELIEVE I AM HAVING TO WRITE THIS DOWN.

But that's why I'm leaving. Because SOE doesn't seem to realize any of this, and that's the issue. How can I hope for them to ever fix a problem if they don't even recognize any of this is one?

So yeah, I'm out. It was fun. Sometimes, a little bit. Thanks for all the fish.”

wall of text OP, nerf plz!!
also yes yes ok ok.. just go already.. what do you expect happen here? dev's droping everything to change what ever to get you to stay... who are you? may i ask.. no1..if you don't care just leave no needless post requierd.. if you still care post your input in a cunstructive post.. also don't cover many topics in same post, repply's will sidetrack soon enough..

oh and can i have you stuff?

Kaktwox · Jun 30, 2013

ChuckDM said: ↑

“I am 5.5 months into a 6 month sub and have over $280 invested in this game. And I'm quitting. I don't want to. I want a MMOFPS that's fun to play with a small group of 4 or 5 friends. And PS2 is the closest thing to that I've found. But I' quitting. And just in case someone at SOE actually gives a rat's *** about getting my business back, I'm posting why here. Take it or leave it.

1) Clans ruin PVP games. This is a universal fact. Clans make lone wolfing impossible. I understand the reasons why this exists, and I'm not suggesting they be removed. I'm just noting that, once you add clans to a game, nobody who isn't in a clan has ANY chance to compete.

2) VOIP ruins any game, PVP or otherwise. Quick comms solve this problem. They allow you to relay all the information you need without any of the other BS you get from having VOIP. Why on earth PS2 had to include VOIP when you already have an excellent quick comm UI I will never understand. If players cannot coordinate between ext chat, quick comms, spotting, map waypoints, and 4 different kinds of freaking smoke, then guess what? They just suck and VOIP won't help. Ever.

3) Everything in the game is balanced. It's all just balanced poorly. I'm not saying it isn't all 100% equal in some way - I am one of the few people who thinks PS2 is a very well balanced game. What I mean is, the method used to achieve this balance is broken. It leads to 3 factions where the single largest distinguishing factor is a color change. The guns all sound a little different, but all shoot the same. The whole "no bullet drop" thing doesn't count. This COULD work, and WOULD count, except that PS2 has no mid range combat. Everyone wither kills within 25m, or they snipe, and the VS snipers have drop just like everyone else. Thus, within 25m is the only place people score most kills, but within 25m drop has 0 effect. The classes are universally the same across all factions - i.e. a VS infiltrator is really no different than a TR infiltrator. The lone reason to pick one faction over the other is either tank or ESF preference. Otherwise, same thing on all sides.

Fixing this is not hard. Raise all gun accuracy 50% when scoped, lower it all 50% when hip firing, and increase minimum drop off to 40m and max to 120m. Boom, mid range combat achieved.

4) Multiple duplicate guns. For every class of weapon on every faction, there are 2 or even 3 guns that have a single stat changed. Example: GR-22 and Carnage BR. Both the same damn gun, only one has a SLIGHTLY lower bullet velocity - which because of the aforementioned lack of mid range combat means nothing. Otherwise, same damage, same drop off, same accuracy. Same gun. And the worst part is, the ROF change is so minor, you're better off picking the slower one just to reduce recoil a tiny bit - TTK remains unchanged in actual gameplay. There is no excuse for this crap. Every gun in every class should have a LARGE difference between the other guns in its class. For example, GR-22 should be over 30% higher ROF but 30% lower damage. BIG differences. Otherwise no sense buying both.

5) Scoping is dead. For a game that's all about teamwork and filled with "professional" players, if you don't hip-fire you lose, every time. This is wrong. This is what a 12-year-old catering series like CoD should be doing. PS2 should be better than this. Why have 10 scopes for every weapon is the only one you can score with is "none?" Once again, the fix here isn't complicated. Scoping should provide ZERO movement penalty. You are already losing valuable time to play the scope-in animation and narrowing your field of view so you are less aware of flanking. At the very least scoping should impose no movement penalty so you can dodge SOME incoming fire.

6) Sniper rifles are too slow. A SMG can put down 1600 points of damage in a matter of less than 3 seconds. Bolt-action sniper cannot do the same, even though it only takes 2 bullets to do so. Why? Because sniper rifle bullet velocity is so low that even if you could pull both shots off that fast, neither will hit your target 80% of the time. Buffing sniper rifle damage would break the game, but buffing velocity - something close to 200% of other bullets, around 1500m/s, is reasonable. If this means a reduction in their body shot damage, that is fair. As long as they can hit a target past 150m more than 20% of the time, I don't care if they do less damage than a beamer!

7) The beamer sucks. Minor complaint by comparison, but seriously, just replace the beamer with the Manticore and give VS a chargeup pistol or something. The fact that the beamer is considered to be an equal with the TX1 or Mag-Shot says a lot about what the devs consider to be "balanced" in this game.

8) Add Shield Mitigation. This is a feature from RTS games mostly, where the more damage from one specific source a shield takes, the more resistant to that type of damage it becomes. PS2 needs this badly. With this, simply pouring a clip from a carbine into the other player won't score you a kill. This isn't a bad thing! However, pair this with a squadmate using a shotgun and easy 2-man kills. Encourages teamwork in a game that really doesn't (teamwork != 200-player zerg)

9) Turrets need a shield. It needs to be immune to tank rounds and ESF rockets. This would require infantry go first and clear out turrets, or else, tanks suffer heavy losses during big zergs. Encourages teamwork and slows zergs - double win.

10) Dying is too easy. Killing is also too easy. Probably my biggest complaint. Many other FPS games seem to do this ratio much better. Section 8: Prejudice in particular did an excellent job on this - it was harder to kill people and harder to be killed. Both took more than 1 clip from every weapon in the game, save a sniper head shot. I shouldn't have to spend OVER half my play time walking back to the objective - the one that's only 80m away. The ease with which people get kills in this game is insanity. Bullets should do less damage (but be more accurate) and all health pools should be tripled. Minimum.

11) Stop rewarding bad gameplay. I saw one of the interviews with one of the devs about how SOE is trying to "encourage" a certain behavior. Which behavior would that be?! Two ESFs can lock down a spawn room forever. A lone lib can do the same. Tanks have a TTK of 20s+ and take 4+ rockets to down from even the best launchers (and against even the weakest tanks). The flash is like speeding around on a motorized "please kill me now" neon sign that steers like a drunken llama. And the #1 way to get kills in a harasser now? Running people over! It's like you're telling everyone "infantry combat is lame. grab a vehicle or be cannon fodder, your call." In a game where only infantry can cap points and thus win battles, this is a bad message to promote.

Camping should be punished HEAVILY. Kills within 10s of enemy spawns should reward 0 XP and not count on K/D (for both killer and enemy). More than 10 such kills in a row should give an automatic suicide. More than 2 lives worth of team damage should also force automatic suicide. All rockets should do double their current damage, but fly 50% slower. All flares need to be removed from aircraft - the only way to avoid being shot down should be breaking LoS. Tanks can keep smoke because breaking LoS is harder, but it should be a consumable item, not a free recharge. All infantry suits need a hyper drive mode that provides a 200% speed boost when sprinting in a straight line so a flash isn't REQUIRED to traverse more than 100m.

12) All class abilities should be buffed. Infiltrator cloaks should last as long as the current Flash cloak, and the flash cloak should be doubled. Infiltrators should be able to fire without manually deactivating cloak too. And hacking should work while cloaked. Jump Jets need to include stabilizers so you can hit a target when jumping, and they should perform a minor AoE when hitting the ground from a sufficient height. LA also should have their fall damage start from twice as high - jumping off the top floor of most wall towers should result in no damage for LA. Medics should pass out revive syringes instead of having to wait on the heal gun (like Brink) so they can res people faster. They should be able to do this without switching away from their primary weapon, as well. Engineers should have a triage-like repair ability that repairs all nearby vehicles automatically. Their repair tool shouldn't overheat, ever, unless you want to add overheating to the medic gun. Heavy shields should all work like resist shields, should last 40s, reduce all damage by 75%, but slow movement also by 75%, turning them into a true "tank" class. A TR heavy should be able to empty all 100 bullets in a clip while under heavy fire and not die yet. If he can't, tweak until he can. This is basic, and pretty obvious.

Maxes should be moved to vehicle terminals and drastically reworked. They should be more like small mechs than mere armor suits. They should have vehicle-grade weapons, instead of just being better-than-infantry stuff. They should ALL have anchor, shield, and a leap ability as well. And they should be exitable just like any other vehicle. Last, they shouldn't fit through doorways. Indoors should be the domain of infantry and infantry ALONE and vehicles, MAXes included, should be unable to contribute to that at all.

13) In a game filled with flash-fabrication, everything should be more adaptable. Vehicle turrets should change to match the occupant, not be forced at loadout. Infiltrator turrets fire EMP rays that lock vehicle movement (but not gunfire) and scramble HUDs. LA turrets would be a low-damage rapid-fire machine gun like the Kobalt. Medic would get a heal turret, engineer a repair turret, both with a 40m range but requiring user targeting. HA gets a rocket turret that's steerable. This should apply to all turrets, not just vehicle turrets. Stationary turrets at stations could do the same. This would also make their placement in the middle of some points more useful.

On the same note, ammo types should be many, varied, and switchable on-the-fly. EMP, Incendary, Explosive, High Velocity, and Armor Piercing rounds should be available on all guns and have drastic effects. Switching between types several times per hostile should be encouraged, or else pairing with someone else currently firing a different type should be very effective. Once again, encourages teamwork.

And all sights above 2x should have adjustable zoom instead of a single, static zoom level. Sniper scopes should have 12 steps between 6x and 12x at 0.5x intervals. Normal carbine/rifle/etc scopes should do the same from 2.4x to 4.8x at 0.4x intervals. Night Vision should be a rail accessory like grenade launchers and toggle-able as needed on ALL guns. Night vision range, on everything in the whole damn game, should be matching the high end of the damage drop off of the weapon, not a static limit for all infantry or vehicle weapons.

NONE OF THIS IS A SECRET. IT IS ALL OBVIOUS. I CANNOT BELIEVE I AM HAVING TO WRITE THIS DOWN.

But that's why I'm leaving. Because SOE doesn't seem to realize any of this, and that's the issue. How can I hope for them to ever fix a problem if they don't even recognize any of this is one?

So yeah, I'm out. It was fun. Sometimes, a little bit. Thanks for all the fish.”

Half of your complaints don't make any sense. Bye.

Doc Jim · Jun 30, 2013

ChuckDM said: ↑

“I am 5.5 months into a 6 month sub and have over $280 invested in this game. And I'm quitting. I don't want to. I want a MMOFPS that's fun to play with a small group of 4 or 5 friends. And PS2 is the closest thing to that I've found. But I' quitting. And just in case someone at SOE actually gives a rat's *** about getting my business back, I'm posting why here. Take it or leave it.

1) Clans ruin PVP games. This is a universal fact. Clans make lone wolfing impossible. I understand the reasons why this exists, and I'm not suggesting they be removed. I'm just noting that, once you add clans to a game, nobody who isn't in a clan has ANY chance to compete.

2) VOIP ruins any game, PVP or otherwise. Quick comms solve this problem. They allow you to relay all the information you need without any of the other BS you get from having VOIP. Why on earth PS2 had to include VOIP when you already have an excellent quick comm UI I will never understand. If players cannot coordinate between ext chat, quick comms, spotting, map waypoints, and 4 different kinds of freaking smoke, then guess what? They just suck and VOIP won't help. Ever.

3) Everything in the game is balanced. It's all just balanced poorly. I'm not saying it isn't all 100% equal in some way - I am one of the few people who thinks PS2 is a very well balanced game. What I mean is, the method used to achieve this balance is broken. It leads to 3 factions where the single largest distinguishing factor is a color change. The guns all sound a little different, but all shoot the same. The whole "no bullet drop" thing doesn't count. This COULD work, and WOULD count, except that PS2 has no mid range combat. Everyone wither kills within 25m, or they snipe, and the VS snipers have drop just like everyone else. Thus, within 25m is the only place people score most kills, but within 25m drop has 0 effect. The classes are universally the same across all factions - i.e. a VS infiltrator is really no different than a TR infiltrator. The lone reason to pick one faction over the other is either tank or ESF preference. Otherwise, same thing on all sides.

Fixing this is not hard. Raise all gun accuracy 50% when scoped, lower it all 50% when hip firing, and increase minimum drop off to 40m and max to 120m. Boom, mid range combat achieved.

4) Multiple duplicate guns. For every class of weapon on every faction, there are 2 or even 3 guns that have a single stat changed. Example: GR-22 and Carnage BR. Both the same damn gun, only one has a SLIGHTLY lower bullet velocity - which because of the aforementioned lack of mid range combat means nothing. Otherwise, same damage, same drop off, same accuracy. Same gun. And the worst part is, the ROF change is so minor, you're better off picking the slower one just to reduce recoil a tiny bit - TTK remains unchanged in actual gameplay. There is no excuse for this crap. Every gun in every class should have a LARGE difference between the other guns in its class. For example, GR-22 should be over 30% higher ROF but 30% lower damage. BIG differences. Otherwise no sense buying both.

5) Scoping is dead. For a game that's all about teamwork and filled with "professional" players, if you don't hip-fire you lose, every time. This is wrong. This is what a 12-year-old catering series like CoD should be doing. PS2 should be better than this. Why have 10 scopes for every weapon is the only one you can score with is "none?" Once again, the fix here isn't complicated. Scoping should provide ZERO movement penalty. You are already losing valuable time to play the scope-in animation and narrowing your field of view so you are less aware of flanking. At the very least scoping should impose no movement penalty so you can dodge SOME incoming fire.

6) Sniper rifles are too slow. A SMG can put down 1600 points of damage in a matter of less than 3 seconds. Bolt-action sniper cannot do the same, even though it only takes 2 bullets to do so. Why? Because sniper rifle bullet velocity is so low that even if you could pull both shots off that fast, neither will hit your target 80% of the time. Buffing sniper rifle damage would break the game, but buffing velocity - something close to 200% of other bullets, around 1500m/s, is reasonable. If this means a reduction in their body shot damage, that is fair. As long as they can hit a target past 150m more than 20% of the time, I don't care if they do less damage than a beamer!

7) The beamer sucks. Minor complaint by comparison, but seriously, just replace the beamer with the Manticore and give VS a chargeup pistol or something. The fact that the beamer is considered to be an equal with the TX1 or Mag-Shot says a lot about what the devs consider to be "balanced" in this game.

8) Add Shield Mitigation. This is a feature from RTS games mostly, where the more damage from one specific source a shield takes, the more resistant to that type of damage it becomes. PS2 needs this badly. With this, simply pouring a clip from a carbine into the other player won't score you a kill. This isn't a bad thing! However, pair this with a squadmate using a shotgun and easy 2-man kills. Encourages teamwork in a game that really doesn't (teamwork != 200-player zerg)

9) Turrets need a shield. It needs to be immune to tank rounds and ESF rockets. This would require infantry go first and clear out turrets, or else, tanks suffer heavy losses during big zergs. Encourages teamwork and slows zergs - double win.

10) Dying is too easy. Killing is also too easy. Probably my biggest complaint. Many other FPS games seem to do this ratio much better. Section 8: Prejudice in particular did an excellent job on this - it was harder to kill people and harder to be killed. Both took more than 1 clip from every weapon in the game, save a sniper head shot. I shouldn't have to spend OVER half my play time walking back to the objective - the one that's only 80m away. The ease with which people get kills in this game is insanity. Bullets should do less damage (but be more accurate) and all health pools should be tripled. Minimum.

11) Stop rewarding bad gameplay. I saw one of the interviews with one of the devs about how SOE is trying to "encourage" a certain behavior. Which behavior would that be?! Two ESFs can lock down a spawn room forever. A lone lib can do the same. Tanks have a TTK of 20s+ and take 4+ rockets to down from even the best launchers (and against even the weakest tanks). The flash is like speeding around on a motorized "please kill me now" neon sign that steers like a drunken llama. And the #1 way to get kills in a harasser now? Running people over! It's like you're telling everyone "infantry combat is lame. grab a vehicle or be cannon fodder, your call." In a game where only infantry can cap points and thus win battles, this is a bad message to promote.

Camping should be punished HEAVILY. Kills within 10s of enemy spawns should reward 0 XP and not count on K/D (for both killer and enemy). More than 10 such kills in a row should give an automatic suicide. More than 2 lives worth of team damage should also force automatic suicide. All rockets should do double their current damage, but fly 50% slower. All flares need to be removed from aircraft - the only way to avoid being shot down should be breaking LoS. Tanks can keep smoke because breaking LoS is harder, but it should be a consumable item, not a free recharge. All infantry suits need a hyper drive mode that provides a 200% speed boost when sprinting in a straight line so a flash isn't REQUIRED to traverse more than 100m.

12) All class abilities should be buffed. Infiltrator cloaks should last as long as the current Flash cloak, and the flash cloak should be doubled. Infiltrators should be able to fire without manually deactivating cloak too. And hacking should work while cloaked. Jump Jets need to include stabilizers so you can hit a target when jumping, and they should perform a minor AoE when hitting the ground from a sufficient height. LA also should have their fall damage start from twice as high - jumping off the top floor of most wall towers should result in no damage for LA. Medics should pass out revive syringes instead of having to wait on the heal gun (like Brink) so they can res people faster. They should be able to do this without switching away from their primary weapon, as well. Engineers should have a triage-like repair ability that repairs all nearby vehicles automatically. Their repair tool shouldn't overheat, ever, unless you want to add overheating to the medic gun. Heavy shields should all work like resist shields, should last 40s, reduce all damage by 75%, but slow movement also by 75%, turning them into a true "tank" class. A TR heavy should be able to empty all 100 bullets in a clip while under heavy fire and not die yet. If he can't, tweak until he can. This is basic, and pretty obvious.

Maxes should be moved to vehicle terminals and drastically reworked. They should be more like small mechs than mere armor suits. They should have vehicle-grade weapons, instead of just being better-than-infantry stuff. They should ALL have anchor, shield, and a leap ability as well. And they should be exitable just like any other vehicle. Last, they shouldn't fit through doorways. Indoors should be the domain of infantry and infantry ALONE and vehicles, MAXes included, should be unable to contribute to that at all.

13) In a game filled with flash-fabrication, everything should be more adaptable. Vehicle turrets should change to match the occupant, not be forced at loadout. Infiltrator turrets fire EMP rays that lock vehicle movement (but not gunfire) and scramble HUDs. LA turrets would be a low-damage rapid-fire machine gun like the Kobalt. Medic would get a heal turret, engineer a repair turret, both with a 40m range but requiring user targeting. HA gets a rocket turret that's steerable. This should apply to all turrets, not just vehicle turrets. Stationary turrets at stations could do the same. This would also make their placement in the middle of some points more useful.

On the same note, ammo types should be many, varied, and switchable on-the-fly. EMP, Incendary, Explosive, High Velocity, and Armor Piercing rounds should be available on all guns and have drastic effects. Switching between types several times per hostile should be encouraged, or else pairing with someone else currently firing a different type should be very effective. Once again, encourages teamwork.

And all sights above 2x should have adjustable zoom instead of a single, static zoom level. Sniper scopes should have 12 steps between 6x and 12x at 0.5x intervals. Normal carbine/rifle/etc scopes should do the same from 2.4x to 4.8x at 0.4x intervals. Night Vision should be a rail accessory like grenade launchers and toggle-able as needed on ALL guns. Night vision range, on everything in the whole damn game, should be matching the high end of the damage drop off of the weapon, not a static limit for all infantry or vehicle weapons.

NONE OF THIS IS A SECRET. IT IS ALL OBVIOUS. I CANNOT BELIEVE I AM HAVING TO WRITE THIS DOWN.

But that's why I'm leaving. Because SOE doesn't seem to realize any of this, and that's the issue. How can I hope for them to ever fix a problem if they don't even recognize any of this is one?

So yeah, I'm out. It was fun. Sometimes, a little bit. Thanks for all the fish.”

Good riddance, I meant to read this ... but had to give up.
Go and play World of Warcraft, FPS' are not the right games for you.

Tekuila · Jun 30, 2013

God you suck at this game.

Ubikuuu · Jun 30, 2013

7/10

Read it all and had a good chuckle.
You were too blatant in some of the paragraphs tho, I'd have gone with a more subtle approach.

Still way better than most, if only for the effort.

Doc Jim · Jun 30, 2013

Oh damn, I reread it, *facepalm* I fed a troll...

IamDH · Jun 30, 2013

CEGrif said: ↑

“oh look more "i quit" threads”

Its not a good thing

rayvon · Jun 30, 2013

IamDH said: ↑

“Its not a good thing”

It depends tbh, if its just some random solo player that has no interest in teamwork, then i could not care less.
Being a free to play game it is expected to have a high turnover, theres nothing particularly bad about people coming and going.

SooperDog · Jun 30, 2013

Smoke another blunt

rayvon · Jun 30, 2013

SooperDog said: ↑

“Smoke another blunt”

I switched to a vaporiser long ago, no smoke involved !

holycaveman · Jun 30, 2013

ChuckDM said: ↑

“I am 5.5 months into a 6 month sub and have over $280 invested in this game. And I'm quitting. I don't want to. I want a MMOFPS that's fun to play with a small group of 4 or 5 friends. And PS2 is the closest thing to that I've found. But I' quitting. And just in case someone at SOE actually gives a rat's *** about getting my business back, I'm posting why here. Take it or leave it.

1) Clans ruin PVP games. This is a universal fact. Clans make lone wolfing impossible. I understand the reasons why this exists, and I'm not suggesting they be removed. I'm just noting that, once you add clans to a game, nobody who isn't in a clan has ANY chance to compete.

2) VOIP ruins any game, PVP or otherwise. Quick comms solve this problem. They allow you to relay all the information you need without any of the other BS you get from having VOIP. Why on earth PS2 had to include VOIP when you already have an excellent quick comm UI I will never understand. If players cannot coordinate between ext chat, quick comms, spotting, map waypoints, and 4 different kinds of freaking smoke, then guess what? They just suck and VOIP won't help. Ever.

3) Everything in the game is balanced. It's all just balanced poorly. I'm not saying it isn't all 100% equal in some way - I am one of the few people who thinks PS2 is a very well balanced game. What I mean is, the method used to achieve this balance is broken. It leads to 3 factions where the single largest distinguishing factor is a color change. The guns all sound a little different, but all shoot the same. The whole "no bullet drop" thing doesn't count. This COULD work, and WOULD count, except that PS2 has no mid range combat. Everyone wither kills within 25m, or they snipe, and the VS snipers have drop just like everyone else. Thus, within 25m is the only place people score most kills, but within 25m drop has 0 effect. The classes are universally the same across all factions - i.e. a VS infiltrator is really no different than a TR infiltrator. The lone reason to pick one faction over the other is either tank or ESF preference. Otherwise, same thing on all sides.

Fixing this is not hard. Raise all gun accuracy 50% when scoped, lower it all 50% when hip firing, and increase minimum drop off to 40m and max to 120m. Boom, mid range combat achieved.

4) Multiple duplicate guns. For every class of weapon on every faction, there are 2 or even 3 guns that have a single stat changed. Example: GR-22 and Carnage BR. Both the same damn gun, only one has a SLIGHTLY lower bullet velocity - which because of the aforementioned lack of mid range combat means nothing. Otherwise, same damage, same drop off, same accuracy. Same gun. And the worst part is, the ROF change is so minor, you're better off picking the slower one just to reduce recoil a tiny bit - TTK remains unchanged in actual gameplay. There is no excuse for this crap. Every gun in every class should have a LARGE difference between the other guns in its class. For example, GR-22 should be over 30% higher ROF but 30% lower damage. BIG differences. Otherwise no sense buying both.

5) Scoping is dead. For a game that's all about teamwork and filled with "professional" players, if you don't hip-fire you lose, every time. This is wrong. This is what a 12-year-old catering series like CoD should be doing. PS2 should be better than this. Why have 10 scopes for every weapon is the only one you can score with is "none?" Once again, the fix here isn't complicated. Scoping should provide ZERO movement penalty. You are already losing valuable time to play the scope-in animation and narrowing your field of view so you are less aware of flanking. At the very least scoping should impose no movement penalty so you can dodge SOME incoming fire.

6) Sniper rifles are too slow. A SMG can put down 1600 points of damage in a matter of less than 3 seconds. Bolt-action sniper cannot do the same, even though it only takes 2 bullets to do so. Why? Because sniper rifle bullet velocity is so low that even if you could pull both shots off that fast, neither will hit your target 80% of the time. Buffing sniper rifle damage would break the game, but buffing velocity - something close to 200% of other bullets, around 1500m/s, is reasonable. If this means a reduction in their body shot damage, that is fair. As long as they can hit a target past 150m more than 20% of the time, I don't care if they do less damage than a beamer!

7) The beamer sucks. Minor complaint by comparison, but seriously, just replace the beamer with the Manticore and give VS a chargeup pistol or something. The fact that the beamer is considered to be an equal with the TX1 or Mag-Shot says a lot about what the devs consider to be "balanced" in this game.

8) Add Shield Mitigation. This is a feature from RTS games mostly, where the more damage from one specific source a shield takes, the more resistant to that type of damage it becomes. PS2 needs this badly. With this, simply pouring a clip from a carbine into the other player won't score you a kill. This isn't a bad thing! However, pair this with a squadmate using a shotgun and easy 2-man kills. Encourages teamwork in a game that really doesn't (teamwork != 200-player zerg)

9) Turrets need a shield. It needs to be immune to tank rounds and ESF rockets. This would require infantry go first and clear out turrets, or else, tanks suffer heavy losses during big zergs. Encourages teamwork and slows zergs - double win.

10) Dying is too easy. Killing is also too easy. Probably my biggest complaint. Many other FPS games seem to do this ratio much better. Section 8: Prejudice in particular did an excellent job on this - it was harder to kill people and harder to be killed. Both took more than 1 clip from every weapon in the game, save a sniper head shot. I shouldn't have to spend OVER half my play time walking back to the objective - the one that's only 80m away. The ease with which people get kills in this game is insanity. Bullets should do less damage (but be more accurate) and all health pools should be tripled. Minimum.

11) Stop rewarding bad gameplay. I saw one of the interviews with one of the devs about how SOE is trying to "encourage" a certain behavior. Which behavior would that be?! Two ESFs can lock down a spawn room forever. A lone lib can do the same. Tanks have a TTK of 20s+ and take 4+ rockets to down from even the best launchers (and against even the weakest tanks). The flash is like speeding around on a motorized "please kill me now" neon sign that steers like a drunken llama. And the #1 way to get kills in a harasser now? Running people over! It's like you're telling everyone "infantry combat is lame. grab a vehicle or be cannon fodder, your call." In a game where only infantry can cap points and thus win battles, this is a bad message to promote.

Camping should be punished HEAVILY. Kills within 10s of enemy spawns should reward 0 XP and not count on K/D (for both killer and enemy). More than 10 such kills in a row should give an automatic suicide. More than 2 lives worth of team damage should also force automatic suicide. All rockets should do double their current damage, but fly 50% slower. All flares need to be removed from aircraft - the only way to avoid being shot down should be breaking LoS. Tanks can keep smoke because breaking LoS is harder, but it should be a consumable item, not a free recharge. All infantry suits need a hyper drive mode that provides a 200% speed boost when sprinting in a straight line so a flash isn't REQUIRED to traverse more than 100m.

12) All class abilities should be buffed. Infiltrator cloaks should last as long as the current Flash cloak, and the flash cloak should be doubled. Infiltrators should be able to fire without manually deactivating cloak too. And hacking should work while cloaked. Jump Jets need to include stabilizers so you can hit a target when jumping, and they should perform a minor AoE when hitting the ground from a sufficient height. LA also should have their fall damage start from twice as high - jumping off the top floor of most wall towers should result in no damage for LA. Medics should pass out revive syringes instead of having to wait on the heal gun (like Brink) so they can res people faster. They should be able to do this without switching away from their primary weapon, as well. Engineers should have a triage-like repair ability that repairs all nearby vehicles automatically. Their repair tool shouldn't overheat, ever, unless you want to add overheating to the medic gun. Heavy shields should all work like resist shields, should last 40s, reduce all damage by 75%, but slow movement also by 75%, turning them into a true "tank" class. A TR heavy should be able to empty all 100 bullets in a clip while under heavy fire and not die yet. If he can't, tweak until he can. This is basic, and pretty obvious.

Maxes should be moved to vehicle terminals and drastically reworked. They should be more like small mechs than mere armor suits. They should have vehicle-grade weapons, instead of just being better-than-infantry stuff. They should ALL have anchor, shield, and a leap ability as well. And they should be exitable just like any other vehicle. Last, they shouldn't fit through doorways. Indoors should be the domain of infantry and infantry ALONE and vehicles, MAXes included, should be unable to contribute to that at all.

13) In a game filled with flash-fabrication, everything should be more adaptable. Vehicle turrets should change to match the occupant, not be forced at loadout. Infiltrator turrets fire EMP rays that lock vehicle movement (but not gunfire) and scramble HUDs. LA turrets would be a low-damage rapid-fire machine gun like the Kobalt. Medic would get a heal turret, engineer a repair turret, both with a 40m range but requiring user targeting. HA gets a rocket turret that's steerable. This should apply to all turrets, not just vehicle turrets. Stationary turrets at stations could do the same. This would also make their placement in the middle of some points more useful.

On the same note, ammo types should be many, varied, and switchable on-the-fly. EMP, Incendary, Explosive, High Velocity, and Armor Piercing rounds should be available on all guns and have drastic effects. Switching between types several times per hostile should be encouraged, or else pairing with someone else currently firing a different type should be very effective. Once again, encourages teamwork.

And all sights above 2x should have adjustable zoom instead of a single, static zoom level. Sniper scopes should have 12 steps between 6x and 12x at 0.5x intervals. Normal carbine/rifle/etc scopes should do the same from 2.4x to 4.8x at 0.4x intervals. Night Vision should be a rail accessory like grenade launchers and toggle-able as needed on ALL guns. Night vision range, on everything in the whole damn game, should be matching the high end of the damage drop off of the weapon, not a static limit for all infantry or vehicle weapons.

NONE OF THIS IS A SECRET. IT IS ALL OBVIOUS. I CANNOT BELIEVE I AM HAVING TO WRITE THIS DOWN.

But that's why I'm leaving. Because SOE doesn't seem to realize any of this, and that's the issue. How can I hope for them to ever fix a problem if they don't even recognize any of this is one?

So yeah, I'm out. It was fun. Sometimes, a little bit. Thanks for all the fish.”

Obviously this is not the game for you.

Good luck.

RHINO_Mk.II · Jun 30, 2013

Stopped reading after you suggested that a player should not die when you unload a full carbine clip into them from point blank because "shield mitigation".

Garbageman · Jun 30, 2013

I read the whole thing. I give points for actually laying out some concrete ideas, but there are too many to deal with in one post. Some sound at least plausible, some set off alarm bells. The overarching theme seemed to be making killing harder and slower. A secondary theme was making lone-wolfing (more) viable. There's something to be said for spending more time fighting and less time respawning and/or walking back to the fight, but... who is to say that making killing harder might not favor organized teams, and make life that much harder for a lone wolf? As a lone wolf, it would take you much longer to take down a given opponent - you'd have to pour several clips of ammo into them (as if they'd just stand there and let you, instead of taking cover). In the meantime, several outfit members on that player's side would be coordinating on TeamSpeak and all simultaneously pouring their clips of ammo into you. The way things stand, a lone wolf which can quickly kill something has a 50-50 chance to kill an equivalent opponent by surprise quickly before being taken down by a larger group of opponents. The more you slow things down, the more it seems to me that pure numbers would dominate.

EliteEskimo · Jun 30, 2013

OP in a nutshell

Outfits and clans help the game survive, grow, establish a community, and create epic battles upon which other pubs can join in on. I appreciate your investment in the game, but pretty much everything you said I couldn't agree with lol.

Sea of Ink · Jun 30, 2013

Dear ChuckDM,

If your suggestions were actually implemented, four people would play this game. Maybe five.

SooperDog · Jun 30, 2013

rayvon said: ↑

“I switched to a vaporiser long ago, no smoke involved !”

lol, was talking to OP

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