I'm relatively new to this game, and not especially good at FPS games in general (I don't play them very much), though usually not terrible either, but I have been having significant issues trying to use the Orion LMG in combat. From what I've read on this forum, it appears to be a well regarded weapon, so I am requesting assistance from anyone who can give me an extremely thorough level of explanation of "how", with regards to the usage philosophy of this weapon. To clarify, when I am not either operating a MAX or a vehicle, I usually play heavy assault. However, I invariably find myself less capable of inflicting damage with the Orion than with any other default weapon I have tried on VS. I have also frequently been killed in a fraction of a second from full health/shields (not counting the extra shield, whatever it's called) by stationary medium-to-close range targets I have been firing at for over a second (with scope, in bursts or otherwise) in the general vertical vicinity of the head or chest (neither seems to work out at any range), only to find my (often non-heavy) target has only barely taken more damage than he has shields. To simplify my clarification: I cannot seem to win a straight 1-v-1 fight using the Orion even when I get the first shot and actually manage to hold my aim on my target. What do? Note: Yes, I often forget to use my extra shield. No, it is not relevant when the other person doesn't have one either and neither of us is missing the other at under 10m in distance.
throw a laser sight and x1 scope, you'll be ok Dummy, use your shield.. it is relevant. Some carbines and AR/shotguns/smg's kill quicker then the orion, the shield is there for a reason.
Yes, it is relevant that you don't use your shield when the other person doesn't have one. Other classes' CQC weapons tend to have higher DPS and shorter TTK than Heavy Assault's CQC LMG's, including the Orion. The Orion is best used in close quarters to low-mid range, because it's not very accurate at long. But within its effective range it's a terror -- partly due to its 0.75x ADS movement speed. This means at those ranges just beyond where hipfire would be effective and just before where you need to stand still to remain accurate, you can strafe around like a madman and use your mobility to make your opponent miss while landing your own shots. Do other things to take advantage of the increased movement speed, like quickly peeking around a corner to pop some shots into someone and then ducking back to safety. CQC victory is often determined by headshots, too -- so aim for the upper torso and climb to their head if you feel like you've solidly locked your aim on them. And use your overshield!
I did not mean that it's not relevant to my winning, in a general sense, but rather that it does not seem relevant to my inability to use the Orion effectively - unless the weapon was explicitly balanced around the presence of the shield, which seems counter-intuitive as the shield does not last very long without tons of certs. Also, what is ADS? [Specifically, what does it stand for?]
that video must me old ...cuz all of its not on indar. i dont personally like the orion, on my nc i like the gauss , on the tr the tmg 50 is my go to gun , on vs i like the flare ads = aim down sight the orion being the stock gun is ok at basically all fields but doesnt shine in any
There's almost nothing that can win in 10m against the orion other than an equivalent cqc weapon or shotty. The orion is a bit weird to get used to, im not sure why, since once you figure it out it's very straightforward, but that was my experience and that of many others who I've seen adapt to the weapon. In very close ranges, just use hipfire, it's surprisingly good at it. At close-mid range, use the fact that this is a cqc weapon with a .75 modifier for movespeed in ads, use that extra movespeed while ads to have your sights on someone before they even have the chance to react. At these closer ranges you can just let it rip. Beyond that, use burst fire or dont shoot at all if they're likely to retaliate with a superior ranged weapon (which is most, the orion is distinctly close range massive damage). You'll get into the swing of using your shield in time, and you'll come to love the orion in time. My suggestion for the short term is use it close range explicitly, using mostly hipfire, until you appreciate how ridiculously powerful it is without even aiming, and then start using ads as a added benefit. You dont even need the laser sight (though it's definitely nice!), I've always thought of the orion as a heavy smg.
Verily sirrah, I am mortified to discover that someone with as broad a vocabulary and as verbose a nature as your good self is finding dissatisfaction in that most excellent weapon, the Orion. It is very much a well regarded weapon and I will, with all means and post-haste, fulfill your ardent wish for ludological assistance re: said firearm. I cannot attest to the extreme thoroughness of the following, nor can I illuminate you with regards to it's 'usage philosophy' (nor indeed inform you on any such philosophic, gnostic, epistemological or otherwise esoteric aspect of Planetside) but what I can do is carry on in this annoyingly verbose and overwrought fashion, producing an amusing pastiche of your original post whilst creating stylistic counterpoint to my inevitable laconic punch line. If you will allow me to begin my deconstruction of your previously stated woes. Ahem. The large majority of firearms will terminate your avatar in 'a fraction of a second' anyway (ping permitting). Death is a frequent and familiar bed-fellow to gentlemen such as we, all we may do is plan against it and mitigate it to the best of our ability. If death should happen to call, unexpected and from behind, there is very little one may do. That being said, remaining motionless is censurable. Moving predictability is likewise foolhardy. When fired upon, it is advantageous to promenade and sashay between the three dimensions as willfully as possible whilst returning hostilities. If I may be so bold, on sir's stipulation of his own hasty and repeated demise I came to believe sir may have been sighting the opposition then standing immobile, an approach conducive to one's aim but also the aim of one's rivals, inviting the malicious attention of all and sundry whilst merely optimising your own aim against one lone adversary. If sir is finding himself terminated in this manner, with no forewarning, then aside from himself he only has snipers and rockets and tanks and Liberators to blame. A significant intricacy on which we shall dwell, if for a fleeting sentence or two, is the comparison between medium-range and very-close-range gunplay. Almost all armament within this fripperous diversion is capable of velocious annihilation. Standard pistols to 1000 cert LMGs - all comparable TTKs. The regrettable outcome of this is that, on turning a corner and being faced with an enemy combatant, each gentleman's chance relies as much on luck and ping as his reactions and skill (or lack thereof). Whilst at medium range, the combatants choice of weaponry and mods dictates his accuracy, his movement mitigates his opponents' efforts, he has options for cover, for tossing grenades et cetera. To sum up - medium range is the preserve of skill and weapon selection. Close range is a very short holiday to the casino. The above being stated, however... I cannot believe sir's complains of targets taking 'barely any' damage are anything but hyperbole. If I may suggest an alternative hypothesis - sir understands the difference between hitting his target and missing it. If one's target is taking 'hardly any' damage then I submit sir is possessed of the lucidity required to realise his shortcomings (namely - aim) before attributing the error to somesuch other aspect and retiring to the forum to inquire about it. To move on to your later remonstrations. HA shields are vitally important, always relevant and a major failing in your stipulated approach to the dynamics of our consensual digital experience. If your aggressor possesses fair aim then he is effectively bisecting your HP, inflicting hits vertically (or horizontally, or for that matter diagonally) to the cranial area incurs double damage. In this instance, activating your shield only puts you back on an even footing, especially if your enemy was forewarned and has infiltrated upon you from the rear. It seems unto the ravings of a hospitalised lunatic to be provided with such efficacious equipment as the HA shield, then think it irrelevant whilst complaining about one's failings as an HA, especially in 1v1 scenarios. tl;dr - dont look like the Orion is your problem. Learn how to not get shot. Also HA shield rulz.
For new players in PS2/FPS my advice would be: a) Get a 1-2x reflex scope OR even better the IRNV scope. Personally i use the IRNV scope 100% of the time: night, day, sunrise - doesnt matter it gives you a HUGE advantage in build up areas, since it highlights the enemy. Yes you cant se enemies over 50 meters, but that really isnt a downside since the Orion is crap over 50+ meters. The Orion rules the 0-20 meter combat. EDIT: It takes a bit of getting use to using the IRNV scope during the day, but keep with it. b) For new players i would advice going with forward grip and aiming down sight(IRNV) 90% of the time, you will get a lot better accuracy, then hip fire. You dont need to bursting when aiming down sight , just put the aim over the head/torso and just spray while correcting for the recoil. Yea its a waste of ammo, but its surprisingly effective. c) Learn the base layouts, As a HA you are highly depended on knowing where and when ppl will come running around the corner - so you have a finger on the shield button. When you know the most commen routes the enemy takes, you can start to jump the routes and move behind them and gun them down with your Orion. d) Get a suppressor = you dont show up on the minimap + very little sounds so ppl use that extra sec to locate you when you are trying to gun them down from behind.
If not you could always try another weapon and see how they feel. Use the trial button and see what weapons you like. I recommend the Pulsar LSW, but it does handle a little bit like the Orion. So you may want to try the SVA-88, or the Flare/Ursa.
Yeah, if Orion isn't your cup of tea, get the Pulsar LSW. Put a Forward Grip and a 1xReflex scope on it (don't get the 2xReflex until you master the 1x. 1x for close to midrange, 2x for mid to long range, IRNV for night) and you'll probably be happy. Pulsar LSW will only cost you 100certs +30 for the scope. The SVA-88 and Flare are much bigger investments, but also might work well for you, but honestly try the Pulsar LSW first. I've used the SVA-88, Flare, TMG-50 and SAW and I was honestly surprised by how good the Pulsar LSW was. And always.. always always use your Shield. Put some points into it. Read up on it. There are two components to your shield, its recovery time and then what it actually defends against. Resist shield is a good start. Adrenaline shield works once you get really really good at HA.
Get Resist Shield + Flak OR Nanoweave if you are new. Activate shield, go in, shoot stuff, get kills. Having problems with Orion? Probably just not used to this game. Get a Pulsar LSW, it relatively cheap. Decent at mid range and long range bursts. Does 'okay' close range. Get a general feel of VS LMGs, This game is really not about going in and kill 5 people and walk out. Its about flanking, getting the drop on people. When you are done with LSW, feel you get the feel of the game and how you should behave as HA. Slap a laser sight on the Orion, reflex or IRHV scoop and suddenly it will be 3 times than you remember. Running around tapping enemies on the shoulder and vaporise them while Orion vomits plasma into their faces. Trust me, I've been down that road.
The first thing I would do, if you have not already, is replace the stock sights with either the 1x reflex or night vision. The stock sights are horrible. You can not see what you are shooting at.
Actually, I sometimes prefer the iron sights to the 1x, the 1x are great some of the time, but the colours used and the lack of focus (the metal border the TR/NC have is actually useful for focusing your eyes) sometimes mean I lose track of a target. Ofc, sometimes I get fed up of the irons and use 1x or NVS. As for the Orion itself, i'm not it's greatest fan. It kills quickly in close-close/mid range, but I sometimes find it awkward and ungainly, the LSW is often my preffered weapon of choice, at least for versatility and sustained fire. However, I have found it to be pretty good when paired with concussive grenades. I initially used them with a shotgun and was met with some success, but I found that I had to be hot on it's heels to get the most out of it. With the Orion though, you combine the ability to be able to make use of the nade's effects at a further range (instead of being point blank with a shotty) and it kills faster than the LSW.
Due to the bullet flinching mechanic when you get hit this game is all about getting the first couple of shots on your target. If you find you are dying instantly it probably means the other guy got the first couple of shots out first. Getting the right angle, using cover and outwitting your opponents are all extremely important in Planetside 2. Furthermore, your aim will get better with practice. I barely find I have to use the hip fire targeting reticle anymore, for example, I just know where to point my gun.
The iron sights comment was pretty much Orion/VS specific. I find that VS iron sights in general are rather poor. I have the NS 11 common pool assault rifle and have no issues with it's iron sight. I also run with the LSW more often. I prefer the Orion for tower/Bio Lab fights. I have a load out saved for each.
