I actually like how strong NC MAX are. It's nice to see MAX actually be used. Aside from burster MAX doing AA, I only see MAX at bio labs. The issue is that VS AI and TR AI Max are abjectly horrible, and get effortlessly mowed down by NC AI MAX. Bio labs are all about close range fighting. There is simply no useful place for a 'mid range' or 'long range' MAX right now. VS and TR MAX need buffing so that they are equally deadly in bio labs as NC MAXes. NC MAXes insta kill infantry and enemy MAX at short range. VS and TR MAXes kill no one at long range because their accuracy and damage is low and people have plenty of time to run away and hide. In the anti-vehicle role...the VS AV MAX is at least useable, because of the no bullet drop, but still way less effective than an HA with rocket launcher. The NC and TR AV MAX are abjectly horrible. I feel that all MAX are excessively vulnerable to small arms fire.
They'll be cautious about buffing the TR max, they had some very serious ballence issues with it, i seem to recall Higby saying something along the lines of "so yeah we can't let you have the Max yet for Beta, because in our closed playtest the TR duel cycler Max wiped out a squad." Also if they make them too good, the zerg will move into them. They have a very difficult job in that they have to be weak enough to be killed if people spam them, but strong enough to not be a really big target. Looks like the NC max is nice and strong even in basic spec, but don't hold your breath regarding any TR buff.
What the MAX need more than buffs are options. You can make a Tank/infantry/ESF and mold into into a desired role. You can't really do that that with the MAX outside of do I want to shoot at planes or kill infantry in this building. All MAX that choose to be AI are basically CQC specialists. NC MAX just happens to be a beast at that job.
Not in CqC... i beat you every time in mid range combat though, unless you know the scattmax is smart enough to use cover + dash but half the scattmax users are braindead fools who after using it countless times to rack up godlike kills in biolabs begin to think their invincible... then get shreaded by chainguns in a open field.
As the TR and VS MAX units have the most in common, let's compare the two; -link- Round one; Ammo capacity versus reload time! (+ damage capacity) "Name": - Magazine (extended) -- Reload (long) --- Damage per magazine (extended) TR: Cycler: ---- 60 (90) ---- 2.4 (3) -------- 8,580 (12,870) Onslaught: 60 (90) ---- 2.4 (3) ------- 7,500 (11,250) Mutilator: - 100 (150) - 2.975 (3.5) - 14,300 (21,450) Mercy: ----- 50 (75) ---- 2.4 (3) -------- 7,150 (10,725) VS: Quasar: -- 50 (75) ----- 2.1 (2.8) ------ 8,350 (12,525) Nebula: --- 50 (75) ---- 2.1 (2.8) ------- 7,150 (10,725) Cosmos: - 75 (112?) - 2.475 (3.3) --- 12,525 (18,704) Blue Shift: 40 (60) ----- 2.025 (2.7) --- 6,680 (10,020) To find out who had the best trade, I simply divided ammo capacity by the short reload, TR won every time. Also note how the TR have higher damage capacity per clip. Round two; DPS & Accuracy. TR: Heavy Cycler: 953.3 Onslaught: 984.3 <---Lowest bullet speed, higher rate of fire, lower damage. Mutilator: 953.3 Mercy: 1007 <---Most accurate. It's worth noting that the Cycler, Onslaught, and Mutilator have the same accuracy. VS: Quasar: 938.2 Nebula: 953.3 <---Higher rate of fire, lower damage. Cosmos: 938.2 <---Most accurate, lowest bullet speed. Blue Shift: 976.6 <---Least accurate(by far - it shares the "throne of inaccuracy" with the NC grinder) The Quasar & Nebula have the same accuracy as the TR Trio, the TR having a little lower "sprinting" cone of fire. When you compare the "most accurate" guns of each side, they're essentially the same - the TR weapon has lower minimum, but higher maximum cone of fire, whereas the VS weapon has higher minimum, but lower maximum cone of fire. Conclusion; I'd call this a rather clear-cut case of imbalance. I mean, every way you compare them, TR is either equal or better! As for the inevitable "no bullet drop" objection coming up, that can, and in my mind, should, be compensated by lower projectile speed. (more leading, but no upward compensation seems like a fair trade to me.)
The TR Max minigun fires like a semi automatic rifle with absolutely 0 accuracy even from point blank range. I couldnt kill anyone with it and I caught like 4 guys in a corridor 2 inches wide...the gun doesnt do **** and the gun fires to slow. Aas for that grenade thing, does it even explode if it doesnt hit a vehicle? Or does it have a minimum damage? I was firing it at guys and not doing anything.
You're all ludicrously absurd and clearly don't understand how to use the different MAXes properly. The NC MAX itself is not OP by any means; in many cases, it can be killed more easily. Stop assuming something is generally OP when the real problem is your lack of ability to find a solution.
VS = All around good. TR = All Around good. NC = Situationally godlike or useless. I don't really see a problem, I just pick my fights best as I can and use it to my advantage.
Do you think TR/VS MAX bound across open fields and mountains sniping? Of course not, we operate and fulfill the same CQC building to building combat that the NC MAX does. The difference is the NC MAX can kill us almost as fast as an infantry if we actually try to push an objective. So the situation that the NC MAX becomes "godlike" is the same situation that you would use the other MAX as well.
The only Max that really sucks is the VS Max - beside AA their weapons are useless. I have never seen an AI VS Max in battle. NC Max is overpowered in every Tower and Biolab. TR Max with dual Mercy ist very strong. VS Max sucks!
At most times, you can get a usefull angle to hitt the NC MAX with Pounders, even in the Biolabs. imho
Can you capture some video of you engaging scatmax with pounders? If I could learn to do something new it woudl be great. If not the forums could always use some more humor.
