Anyone tested and know which is better? My guess is Torque but haven't been able to test since CB doesn't effect lifeburns?
http://u.eq2wire.com/item/index/2349753166 <== much better http://u.eq2wire.com/item/index/1036760652
The torque (finisher II necklace) is better. Lifeburn isn't significant. Verification can be found with Adornment Heuristic C Constant (KAC CC) charts.
Then it is a much more interesting problem. Your playstyle and group/raid composition (and likewise their playstyle) now contribute significantly. I expect the razorwing necklace to be superior, but the charts will answer directly (and accurately).
Oh I see, the spreadsheet in our sig. I've downloaded and looked at it but don't understand how to use it.
I haven't had time to record a presentation, but a powerpoint of how to use the charts can be found here. Alternatively, if you provide me with your encounter CB & P values in addition to your EncDPS breakdown I can provide use the chart for you. Assuming I get the rights to use your information for further examples so I don't have to do double work! ;D
Sure Here's my necro http://u.eq2wire.com/soe/character_detail/2168963391213 TYPE DAMAGE ENCDPS AVERAGE MEDIAN MINHIT MAXHIT RESIST HITS SWINGS TOHIT CRIT% All 174,952,346 2,082,766.02 133,755.60 70,996 2,547 4,105,976 All 1,308 1,308 100.00 94% Soulrot 25,486,693 303,413.01 50,568.83 41,913 5,732 225,722 disease 504 504 100.00 100% Rot Flesh 18,077,881 215,212.87 376,622.50 374,186 92,924 538,497 disease 48 48 100.00 100% Lifeburn 15,337,054 182,583.98 1,704,117.00 1,846,741 804,047 1,846,741 focus 9 9 100.00 0% blighted horde's Grave Decay 13,219,495 157,374.94 206,554.60 203,147 161,855 268,368 disease 64 64 100.00 100% Soulburn 11,736,218 139,716.88 3,912,073.00 4,044,482 3,585,760 4,105,976 magic 3 3 100.00 100% Harrowing Tempest II 7,952,517 94,672.82 795,251.70 955,178 193,520 1,259,513 disease 10 10 100.00 0% Lifetap 7,280,053 86,667.30 364,002.70 376,521 301,216 502,863 disease 20 20 100.00 100% Bloodcoil 6,990,213 83,216.82 75,980.58 62,066 8,104 248,507 disease 92 92 100.00 100% Minion's Soulstealing 5,484,104 65,286.95 548,410.40 617,342 432,380 659,152 disease 10 10 100.00 100% Plundered Mistmoore Secrets II 5,394,868 64,224.62 337,179.30 344,652 243,210 365,331 poison 16 16 100.00 0% Grim Embrace 4,950,508 58,934.62 95,202.08 71,012 50,641 260,293 poison 52 52 100.00 100% Grim Bolt 3,649,093 43,441.58 280,699.50 284,948 153,739 433,618 poison 13 13 100.00 100% Wrath of the Undead Servant 3,575,639 42,567.13 595,939.80 701,007 374,029 768,621 disease 6 6 100.00 100% Grim Distortion 3,502,141 41,692.15 500,305.80 507,775 377,889 677,987 poison 7 7 100.00 100% Minion's Mark 2,941,600 35,019.05 226,276.90 242,243 121,961 310,521 magic 13 13 100.00 100% Discombobulate II 2,935,052 34,941.10 489,175.30 499,130 431,028 549,252 mental 6 6 100.00 0% undead horde's Grim Distortion 2,892,985 34,440.30 361,623.10 402,515 239,856 448,100 poison 8 8 100.00 100% Lich's Siphoning 2,803,851 33,379.18 63,723.89 63,887 49,807 79,368 disease 44 44 100.00 100% Grim Lifetap 2,768,534 32,958.74 230,711.20 242,725 179,461 267,008 poison 12 12 100.00 100% Consume 2,613,718 31,115.69 90,128.20 88,591 70,800 110,181 disease 29 29 100.00 100% Eye of Drinal 2,525,757 30,068.54 87,095.07 88,115 69,149 117,487 divine 29 29 100.00 0% Ethereal Strike 2,198,223 26,169.32 366,370.50 368,193 364,548 368,193 poison 6 6 100.00 0% undead horde's Grim Bolt 2,181,761 25,973.35 198,341.90 214,441 104,044 300,416 poison 11 11 100.00 100% undead horde's Grim Devastation 2,149,358 25,587.60 85,974.32 83,649 6,032 150,976 poison 25 25 100.00 96% Grim Wave 1,893,882 22,546.21 52,607.83 54,107 34,250 76,626 poison 36 36 100.00 100% Vampiric Orb's Vampirism 1,833,989 21,833.20 203,776.60 200,904 188,960 237,293 disease 9 9 100.00 100% Grim Devastation 1,700,778 20,247.36 113,385.20 113,933 87,708 188,431 poison 15 15 100.00 100% undead horde's Grim Embrace 1,412,609 16,816.77 117,717.40 59,002 39,820 220,477 poison 12 12 100.00 100% undead horde's Grim Lifetap 1,180,371 14,052.04 168,624.40 163,986 138,061 200,534 poison 7 7 100.00 100% Soulsuck 951,125 11,322.92 118,890.60 117,759 103,555 141,992 disease 8 8 100.00 100% Elemental Toxicity 665,379 7,921.18 25,591.50 25,664 20,526 30,862 heat 26 26 100.00 100% undead horde's Grim Wave 524,332 6,242.05 34,955.46 32,655 29,955 44,863 poison 15 15 100.00 100% undead tide's Grim Distortion 483,765 5,759.11 241,882.50 331,066 152,699 331,066 poison 2 2 100.00 100% Shadow Step 460,327 5,480.08 153,442.30 165,368 111,502 183,457 magic 3 3 100.00 100% undead tide's Grim Embrace 453,540 5,399.29 113,385.00 196,588 27,190 200,408 poison 4 4 100.00 100% Clawing of the Soul 426,778 5,080.69 106,694.50 108,038 91,424 119,278 disease 4 4 100.00 100% undead horde's Invocation 412,818 4,914.50 103,204.50 111,897 92,272 116,350 divine 4 4 100.00 100% undead tide's Grim Bolt 373,751 4,449.42 93,437.75 125,172 54,511 132,902 poison 4 4 100.00 100% Arcane Bewilderment 371,830 4,426.55 371,830.00 371,830 371,830 371,830 magic 1 1 100.00 100% undead horde's Graven Frenzy 356,681 4,246.20 118,893.70 66,932 60,151 229,598 disease 3 3 100.00 100% undead horde 351,100 4,179.76 10,326.47 10,627 7,318 12,637 piercing 34 34 100.00 100% Bloodcloud 331,852 3,950.62 331,852.00 331,852 331,852 331,852 disease 1 1 100.00 100% undead horde's Graven Breath 331,065 3,941.25 41,383.13 26,966 26,699 142,570 disease 8 8 100.00 100% undead horde's Purifying Flames 290,834 3,462.31 41,547.71 19,897 19,525 71,942 heat 7 7 100.00 100% blighted horde 276,148 3,287.48 10,227.70 10,206 7,181 12,808 crushing 27 27 100.00 100% undead horde's Graven Vanquishing 262,407 3,123.89 262,407.00 262,407 262,407 262,407 disease 1 1 100.00 100% undead tide's Grim Lifetap 230,362 2,742.40 115,181.00 122,962 107,400 122,962 poison 2 2 100.00 100% undead horde's Graven Assault 191,208 2,276.29 191,208.00 191,208 191,208 191,208 disease 1 1 100.00 100% undead tide's Grim Wave 150,947 1,796.99 21,563.86 23,494 17,092 24,721 poison 7 7 100.00 100% Poisonous Blast 132,091 1,572.51 6,004.14 3,389 2,547 15,120 poison 22 22 100.00 100% undead tide's Grim Devastation 129,989 1,547.49 64,994.50 92,754 37,235 92,754 poison 2 2 100.00 100% undead tide's Graven Breath 101,510 1,208.45 50,755.00 85,497 16,013 85,497 disease 2 2 100.00 100% undead tide 23,562 280.50 5,890.50 5,763 4,957 7,539 piercing 4 4 100.00 100% Killing 0 0.00 NaN 0 0 0 Death 0 1 0.00 NaN
Holy Bristlebane you're lucky Excel can parse data. Unfortunately, this isn't what I requested (it is missing outside ability and auto attack EncDPS values). Fortunately, it doesn't really matter. I'll explain later on, for now, analysis. CB: 568.2* P: 606.1* *Assumes boosts from AAs on specific abilities is negligible (fairly good assumption) *also assumes that the values on this page reflect encounter values (e.g. band of the band, fanatic stud, wurmlord's wrist of the ethereal, etc.), this is a bad assumption but it doesn't actually matter (as we'll see later) Plugging these values, with the gear options, into the heuristic chart yields the following, Where Option 1: is 30 critical bonus & potency (razorwing necklace) Option 2: is 57.5 potency (finisher necklace)** **assumes that encounter duration > 50% and encounter duration < 50% are equal, which they aren't ( 50%+ > 50%-, therefore effective potency of finisher neck < 57.5) What an interesting chart (lol)! To use the chart, find the intersection point of normalized EncDPS of Outside Abilities (e.g. Peace of Mind, Stampede, etc.) and Auto Attacks. We lack these values! But fortunately, the entire graph is positive...even at 0% OA and AA. What this means is Option 1 is always better (razorwing necklace). If true values of AA & OA damage were used (non zero), the EncDPS of the razorwing necklace would further increase (it is always better). This conclusion is expected to hold with encounter CB & P values, as P is increased much more easily than CB (e.g. Truespirit's Legacy, Winds of Obol, Fanatic Stud, Band of the Band, etc.). A more detailed answer can be obtained with the simulator, which will account for AA specific boosts, but it isn't often necessary on binary questions (such as this). ^~
That's awesome man, you are like some kind of statistics magician! Thanks a ton. It's so weird too because I was just talking to my wife this morning about how I wish I understood statistics better so I could figure out what 2 fifty percent chances of something in a row actually equal.
Actually this is completely wrong information, lol. The neck is 40% potency over 50% and 115 potency under 50%. This is an average of 77.5% potency, and is better than the razorwing for nearly every class.
Torque of Divine Inspiration I was completely on board with you originally Snapshot, I had to jump ships with the new information as well.
It is 40% potency static then 75% potency when under 50 so you get 115 under 50. It's not 40 over then you lose it and gain 75.
Ah, if it is in addition to then you're right, and I need to jump ships again. A corrected chart comparison would be, Which shows negative values everywhere (option 2 is superior), supporting your analysis. and...(because I messed up), I will make amends with cool (more informative) pictures... in 3D Negative values indicate Finisher I is better, positive indicates Razorwing. I find it highly unlikely that our necromancer friend has AA or OA damage > 50%, go for the Finisher.
It certainly is a lot to take in! The charts show the total EncDPS multiplier with respect to normalized Auto Attack and Outside Ability damage. Which says a lot in too few words, so to break it down... EncDPS is a function of many components, Auto Attacks, Inside Abilities, Outside Abilities (e.g. Peace of Mind, Stampede), and Procs all of which must be treated differently with respect to stats. Procs, primarily, are not influenced by stats (or the GMs have put considerable effort to ensure they do not scale). Because we only care about damage that scales with stats for gear selection, we can simplify these parameters normalizing the damage ratios (%DMGnormalized = %DMG/(%DMG - %Proc)*. Or we can reduce the inputs to AA, IA, and OA. Because these values must add up to 100%, we can express one component in terms of the others (e.g. IA = 1 - OA - AA). This is beneficial, as a fewer parameters is preferable (multi dimensional graphs are more difficult to visualize). TL;DR for this paragraph "we can simply some stuff with some math so we can get a graph that relates %DMG Multiplier to Auto Attack and Outside Ability damage as inputs" Now both pieces of gear will offer unique stats (duh). What we are interested is which one offers a larger multiplier, or the difference between the two gear pieces. To get this, we calculate the difference between gear option 1 and gear option 2. This is most easily visualized on the second (3D) graph. A negative value indicates that option 1 - option 2 resulted in a lower EncDPS multiplier. This is bad (we want to deal more damage!), and should be avoided if possible (select option 2!). However, a positive value indicates option 1 - option 2 is a higher EncDPS multiplier. This is good (yay damage!), and should be the goal (select option 1). To find out which is best for the necromancer, we need to know the EncDPS% of his auto attack (AA) and outside abilities (OA), find the intersection of those values on the graph, and then determine whether it is a positive or negative value. Although we don't know the values (he didn't post them for us ;o), negative values populate the chart until AA and OA are unreasonably high for a necromancer (30%+). For this reason, we can conclude he should (likely) go for the finisher necklace. *we also need to consider the potency boost of procs for allies (their OA), but for sake of this explanation lets pretend that doesn't exist... that is a lot of text! How to do this, or a simplified way of doing this, is explained in the power point. ^^;
