Beta Update Notes : February 14, 2006 2/14/2005 8:15 pm *** Combat *** - Procs will only occur on the first successful attack of a single combat art, not each attack. Not only does it mean that we will see alot of Triple Shots oder Double shots without a single proc but atm it seems that Quick shot does not proc poison anymore. My proc rate is way down now and so is my damage. If this goes live our damage will take a serious hit. I have not done any parse right now but it feels like my damage is down by atleast 30%. T1: Conjurer>Necro T2: Assassin>Brigand>Swashbuckler>Ranger T3: Wizard-Warlock.... This seems to be the way SOE is going with this expansion. Lets just hope the procs are somehow bugged on beta.
its even worse actually. average dps in group is about 500-600 (on green mobs) if ya got full legendary gear or better, fully mastered out lv 70. (means i only encounter max even cons) that actually makes us rather tier3 than tier2, conju and necro pets easily hit 700+. furthermore poison procs insane low amounts of time atm, its like fire off triple volley, precise shot, amazing and get like 1 poison proc ! shield also procs hardly once every 5-8 hits, quick shot doesnt lead to a proc at all. it actually takes like 4-5 CAs at least to kill a lv 55 solo mob on the first island in KoS (again fully mastered, str >400 int >140, grizz bow) so welcome to tier 3 dps if they dont fix that
this better not go live, if it does, not only does our job go poof, well atleast we're not as good at it anymore.. but they just torched our soloing ability even further. Cmon SoE make up your minds, are we utility now or are we dps? ffs we have to pay (Alot) for our dps... why make it worse?
well our poison costs are going very low now since 25% poisons proc at least 1/10 of the time and stun poisons and debuff poisons hardly ever proc in a heroic fight. i just think its kinda hard nerfing a class that nearly only does dps utility (id call it even the class with the least utility except dps), and then the dps is set down to Tier3 below bruisers even. if this goes live, you got us in the same situation as enchanters. btw i created a new lv 60 ranger on test with the testing gear and stuff like that i managed to do a good 320-390 dps on lv 55-59 mobs, good eh ?
well right now you beta guys are that .. beta testing. So i hope they reconsider it. We always knew that rng dps came from poisons in a 40%, so destroying that is gona mean that your dps drops a LOT
Is there a beta forum where you can put that info in. I mean...thats pretty rediculous. Are they going to up all of our CA's dmg by about oh, i dont know, 200%? If not, that is really not cool. Complain Complain Complain until it gets fixed It seems to work for wizzies. We dont want them to suck, why do they want us to suck so terribly bad
It seems to be worse than what they stated in the update notes. They may be counting the CA for their cast length instead of the delay on the bow. I logged in last night after the patch but before they put up the notes and noticed something wrong right away. I messed around and came up with these numbers, not enough to make a conclusion but it is a cause for worry. Culling the Weak 23 shots 4 poison procs 5 quick shot procs 2 gleaming strikes Precise Shot 10 shots 2 poison procs 4 quick shot procs 0 gleamig strikes Tripple Arrow 26 shots 1 poison proc!! 2 quick shot procs 1 gleaming strikes Now compair those to the regular ranged auto attack. Auto Attack 39 shots 27 poison procs 32 quick shot procs 7 gleaming strikes
What's the next change .. give every bowstyle a delay like stream so that we never again are able to shot on any mob while soloing ? And maybe lock the use of non-melee CA's for 6 seconds after use of cheapshot ?
YAY!!!!!!!!!! Let's give them more nerf ideas...:smileymad: I used to LOVE my ranger, but, not so much anymore... I usually go along with the whole "did they take our bow away? No? Good, were still rangers. Adapt and move on" type of thinking, but, it has gotten harder and harder for me... I am not sure I will spend the extra money on the new expansion, as the last one is still broke, and I really don't enjoy being a lvl 60 with not much to do. I am usually really chipper, but, that has been lost with me now... Who knows, maybe I'll just delete my accounts and go to another game... It sure the hell won't be WOW, but... The only reason I have stayed this long is because I love my class and the friends I have made here... But, that has since passed...:smileysad:
This is ridiculous. If this goes live, I am done with SOE. I don't think I have ever said anything like that. But, it will completely ruin Rangers. My heart sank when I read this. Elbryan 60 Ranger
those numbers are correct. and thats why we are about tier3 dps right now in KoS, our AAs dont work still, we only got 2 good ones that dont work atm, the rest is pretty lame. while other classes get tremendous aas we're even [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ed up by decreasing poisons and procs. my new dps line would be something like: conju > necro > wiz / war > bruiser > monk > brigand / assa / swashi / ranger > guardian
I hate to post on anything thats in beta since it seems to always change, but if any form of this goes through it will seriously hurt the ranger class. My first toon was a guardian, me and my wife basicly duoed all the time with her illusionist, then LU13 changed all that. So I went with a ranger only so sony could drasticlly change that class too. Come on enough already, let us get comfortable with a class then change it. I understand small tweaks but this hardly qualifys as a tweak!
We cannot take this sitting down. This needs to be changed. All rangers must unify on this issue and make sure this never gets a sniff of live servers. Yeah, I agree with the OP there is no way I am buying the KoS expansion. Elbryan 60 Ranger
Hey, this is what we get for all our damage being based on a bug. As much as I don't like the change, I know they'll never change it back to the way it was. If SOE wants us to be T1 DPS, they need to make us that way using game mechanics they intended. That's what we need to be asking for.
Not a ranger here but if these numbers are accurate, this nerfing business is out of control. Why do they always insist on taking an elephant gun to the mouse? Welcome to Combat Revamp 2.0....
Hey, this is what we get for all our damage being based on a bug. As much as I don't like the change, I know they'll never change it back to the way it was When was that ever a bug? Who stated that poison proc in each hit was a bug? And I am so sick of this [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] when a change is made they are calling it a bug. If this a bug, everything in this goddamn game can be called a bug. If something has been in the game since its inception and has always worked that way even through a combat revamp – how the hell can it be called a bug. If this gets changed we need an across the board damage boost of about 40% to all of our CAs. I am not Chicken Little and I don’t post dread and gloom threads ever! But, if this does go live and we do not get a damage boost on our CAs – I am done. I am done with EQ2 and with SOE. They just have no idea what they are doing and use a sledgehammer to make changes. I only have one character – my Ranger. And, I am not switching to level up another. Maybe I just don’t have the stomach for MMOs and all their changes. Or, maybe SOE does not have a clue. Whatever it is, NWN2 is looking really good.
He He a great analogy. My first toon was a warlock... I rolled that toon over a year ago after researching what his job and role was... Then combat revamp 1.0 becaume an AE specialist... DOH!!!! Because I wanted single target rolled a ranger after researching classes and abilities.... Then revamp 2.0.... DOH!!!! They take away almost all death penalty because too many people thought it was anoying.... Make griffons towers and belles in most zones to take away anoying travel.... When will they learn that when they totally 180 degree alter a class THAT IS FAR MORE ANOYING THAN HAVING TO GET A SPIRIT SHARD. Getting tired of feeling like a rat in sony's maze...
