So... *attended* automated gameplay IS allowed?

It should be treated as cheating. Game would be better off without the WoW add-on style stuff.

Could just be another ripple in the force. In any case, does anyone here think that Gina is going to become forbidden in this game? If so, I would like to talk to you about a bridge I don't own but would love to sell or rent to you.

I’ll take that bridge. All it takes is the raid designer getting annoyed with difficulty complaints while players build and distribute tools to negate the difficulty.

It's an interesting fantasy.

thing bout gina is you can do the same thing in game as it is. There is a in game audio trigger that is just gina in game.

Partially, but the 3rd party tools take it to a more optimized level. It almost eliminates the PVP aspect of the raids.

what pvp aspect of the raids? no raids have pvp in them.

Personally I think as long as people keep paying krono for PL'ing services then nothing about the botting situation will change. Why would the company remove that source of income when (with pick zones) almost no one is being affected by the bots? It's also why I believe the company is slow to streamline any leveling/solo play. They're incentivized to keep it slow when one botter consumes anywhere from 6-12 krono a month and the buyers spend anywhere form 1-10 per session for one character. That's more than as single leveling account will spend.

As for things like Gina and other add-ons, whatever makes the game MORE accessible will almost always be better. The game is antiquated and having add-ons that come almost standard with any other MMO would be welcome in my opinion. Give players the option to use them instead of denying completely.

People failing mechanics that lead to raid ae’s, adds, silences, etc.

ahh ok me and you have different view of what pvp is. to me what you saying is pve.

The game is getting feedback for years and years mostly from people using GINA, and thus affecting its accessibility.

Yeah, it’s a fun view of it. The raid mobs are designed to lose, but there’s a segment of players practically designed to keep the raid from winning.

I guess he means people causing other people's deaths on purpose. What a terrible group he must be in. (or else its just him)

Literally everyone has failed an emote that has caused deaths or wipes. Nobody is perfect. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

You missed a crucial phrase "on purpose". Failing the emote and wiping because of a 'nobody is perfect' is not intentional. Characterizing it as a PvP mechanic implies intentionally failing in order to wipe the group/raid. Thus, you are agreeing with Svann2. (And I agree with Svann2, too, to see it as a PvP mechanic one must be in groups/raids of very petty players).

You've never seen people purposely rampage charmed people or kill charmed people? I've seen it quite often. It's pretty funny. My friends and I do it to each other every so often.

I also know of many people who are so bad at emotes that it would seem on purpose. Every guild has at least one or two, if they haven't already been booted out. Failing doesn't necessarily have to be "on purpose" when the result is someone causing death upon someone else. That's why they classify it was PVP. If you fail, you kill someone else.

No, the PVP aspect is just that its a multiplayer game and other players add dynamic difficulty to events.

Guilty. Ban me.

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