what apu should i get ?

Discussion in 'Player Support' started by Leifen, Apr 25, 2014.

  1. Leifen Augur

    My laptop has a AMD Elite Quad-Core A10-5745M along with 8 gigs of ram runs at 2.1 ghz and can run 4 instances of EQ with no problems.

    My tower has an AMD A4-3400 APU (dual core) with 6 gigs of ram runs at 2.7 ghz and can only run 1 instance of EQ and that's with using a Radeon R7850 Core edition with 1 gig onboard ram. the motherboard for my tower is an Asus F1A55-M LX PLUS Rev X.0x which can support AMD® A-& E2- series Accelerated Processor with AMD Radeon™ HD 6000 Series Graphics, Up to 4 CPU cores, FM1 Package
    Belarc Advisor Computer profile states the following for my tower

    2.70 gigahertz AMD A4-3400 APU with Radeon HD Graphics256 kilobyte primary memory cache1024 kilobyte secondary memory cache64-bit readyMulti-core (2 total)Not hyper-threaded

    I notice it says that the APU is not hyper-threaded. Is it possible to hyper-thread it and if so would it make any difference to the performance?




    So I am wondering what kind of AMD APU I can get for my tower that might enable me to run multiple instances of EQ. I have tried every suggestion people have given me and I cannot run more than 1 instance. If I run even 2 then I hit the up arrow and it acts like I hit num lock and keeps going. If I try to turn even a little bit my toon starts going in circles and the only way to stop it is to duck and even that isn't very fast.

    Another question I guess would be can I go with just a CPU as I have the radeon graphics card?

    I am looking at 3 apu's the first is

    AMD A6-6400K X2 Blk ED APU Processor FM2 4.1GHZ 65W Retail Box






    Display & Graphics
    Graphics Controller Manufacturer: AMD
    Graphics Controller Model: Radeon HD 8470D
    General Information
    Brand Name: AMD
    Manufacturer: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc
    Manufacturer Part Number: AD640KOKHLBOX
    Manufacturer Website Address: http://www.amd.com
    Package Type: Retail
    Product Model: A6-6400K
    Product Name: Dual-core A6-6400K 3.9GHz Black Edition Desktop Processor
    Product Series: A6
    Product Type: Processor
    Miscellaneous
    Platform Supported: PC
    Physical Characteristics
    Depth: 1.6" (39.9 mm)
    Width: 1.6" (39.9 mm)
    Power Description
    Thermal Design Power: 65 W
    Technical Information
    64-bit Processing: Yes
    Clock Speed: 3.90 GHz
    L1 Cache: 96 KB
    L2 Cache: 1 MB
    Overclocking Speed: 4.10 GHz
    Process Technology: 32 nm
    Processor Core: Dual-core (2 Core)
    Processor Manufacturer: AMD
    Processor Socket: Socket FM2
    Processor Technology: AMD64 Technology
    Virtualization Technology
    Turbo Core 3.0 Technology
    PowerNow Technology

    price tag $72.00

    then there is the
    AMD A8-5600K APU Quad Core Processor Socket FM2 3.6GHZ 4MB 100W Retail Box


    Model

    Brand
    AMD
    Series
    A-Series APU
    Model
    AD560KWOHJBOX



    CPU Socket Type

    CPU Socket Type
    Socket FM2



    Tech Spec

    Core
    Trinity
    Multi-Core
    Quad-Core
    Name
    A8-5600K
    Operating Frequency
    3.6GHz (3.9GHz Turbo)
    L2 Cache
    4MB
    Manufacturing Tech
    32 nm
    64 bit Support
    Yes
    Virtualization Technology Support
    Yes
    Integrated Graphics
    AMD Radeon HD 7560D
    Graphics Base Frequency
    760MHz
    Thermal Design Power
    100W
    Cooling Device
    Heatsink and Fan included

    price tag $117

    Last is
    AMD A8 5500 Quad Core Processor Socket FM2 3.2GHZ 4MB 65W Retail Box

    Processor Type:

    Model:

    Part Number:
    AD5500OKHJBOX

    Socket Type:
    FM2

    Power Wattage:
    65

    Frequency:
    3200

    Processor Bus Speed:
    Not Specified

    Processor L2 Cache Size:
    4000

    CMOS:
    32nm SOI





    price tag $117






    If the $72 dual core will be able to do multiple instances of EQ then I would prefer to save the $45. I just want to be able to run more than 1 freakin instance of EQ on my tower LoL
  2. Broozer Augur

    Nahasapeemapetalan?
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  3. Sarkaukar Augur

    When you said the tower will not run multiple instances of EQ, exactly what is happening other than the quoted part?

    Where do you have EQ installed? And are you using the same directory/shortcut for both sessions? If default location is Program Files directory, suggest moving game elsewhere, such as c:\game\everquest or something that you will have easy access to.

    And what has been done, tweaks to eqclient.ini/etc? EQ settings by default has EQ running only on one core.

    Post eqclient.ini, remove the color codes to make it shorter, if need be. After that, rename eqclient.ini to allow new one to be created. On Launchpad, before hitting Play, click on Advanced tools then game config. Run through it, disabling dynamic lighting.

    Also, what has been done to the computer? Heatsinks blown out/cleaned out all dust build up (make sure to do this to laptop every few months)? Power Options set to always on (XP) or set to Best Performance? Keyboard/mice wired or wireless? System video card settings? Application control? Using MSI Afterburner to take control of fan settings? If Vista+ disabled Aero? Running in Full screen mode or windowed mode for all sessions?
  4. Leifen Augur

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  5. Leifen Augur

    I created a new eqclient.ini already and it made no difference. I honestly can't remember what they suggested I change but I did it and it made no difference.

    Power options set to always on.

    keyboard wired, mouse wireless.

    By the system video card do you mean the one in the apu? If so I thought the new one the Radeon R7850 core edition took over graphics settings.

    I run in windowed mode so I can swap screens.

    I am using asus AI suite II , fan expert to control fan it is on turbo and set at %60 cpu at 37 degrees celcius.

    My OS is Windows 7

    I am using AMD Catalyst Control Center.
    most things are set at use application settings the only ones that aren't are:

    Anti-Aliasing filter set at standard, Anti-Aliasing method set at multi-sampling, morthological filtering set at off.

    Texture filtering quality set at performance, Surface Format Optimization set at on.

    Frame rate control, wait for vertical refresh set at off, unless application specifies, Open GL Triple Buffering set at on.

    That is all I can give you atm. Am about to try having the second instance run from a different folder / Launchpad than the first one, hopefully that will make a difference.
  6. Sarkaukar Augur

    Ok, first, locate and change the 2nd number to neg 1
    CPUAffinity0=0 to -1
    CPUAffinity1=1 to -1 (if this line is not present due to not loading up two sessions, add it)
    Also add Vsync = True at the top under Default heading.
    Add stickfigures=0 (test run by changing it to 1 to enable stickfigures)

    Locate
    Shadows=1 to change to 0 (zero) (it was missing in your posted eqclient. If it was missing Shadows may have been enabled).

    After that, load up one session and log into the game. Alt O/Display Tab, far clipplane, set it around 50%.

    Now, in Display Tab, click on Advance button.
    Click off everything after allow 2.0 Pixel shaders.
    Zero out shadow cp.
    Max frames and background, set to 75%
    Memory Mode, try less memory usage first.

    **************************

    On video card/system. Is the monitor plugged into the actual ATI video card or is it plugged into the system/motherboard? It should be plugged into the video card itself.

    On your Asus Suite, that, afaik, does not control your fans on your video card. Use Catalyst control panel and manually up the fan speed for a test run. Basically, when running both gaming sessions, are you hearing the fans being kicked up if they have not already been rev up?

    And do you have the cpu overclocked some?

    And how is the dust build up?

    Is the keyboard USB? Unplug it and stick it in another slot.

    As for the second folder, if you do use a second folder it will allow you to tweak the 2nd account to an even more sparse settings (stickfigures, etc) to make things run smoother such as lowering the clipplane even more, etc.
  7. Drusi Augur

    If those are your only APU choices you should get the A8-5600K since you definitely want more cores for running more instances of EQ. The 2 core A6-6400 would not give you enough of a boost.

    Roughly speaking you want one core for running everything else(OS tasks) and the other cores for EQ instances. So you should be able to run 3-4 instances of EQ with 4 cores of AMD.

    Here's a simple comparison: http://cpuboss.com/cpus/AMD-A8-5600K-vs-AMD-A6-6400K
  8. Sando New Member

    go download wineq2