Cancel magic clickies/abilities

Discussion in 'The Veterans' Lounge' started by alidan, Mar 28, 2014.

  1. alidan Lorekeeper

    What are the best clickies/abilities are there for cancel magic, doesn't matter the class.
  2. Yther Augur

    More specifics would help narrow it down. If you're really after Cancel Magic types only, and not remove detrimental or remove beneficial dispells.

    Cancel Magic Items: http://lucy.allakhazam.com/itemswitheffect.html?id=48
    Most Cancel Magic type Spells: http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/...type=any&level=--N/A--&opt=Only&action=search use links to find items.
    Shaman Dispell Detrimental Spell: Pure Spirit

    There are AAs such as http://everquest.allakhazam.com/wiki/EQ:Radiant_Cure

    Detrimental effects with counters can be removed by using appropriate cures. See http://everquest.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=1&mid=137998416421881516#48 and/or http://everquest.allakhazam.com/wiki/EQ:Spell_Data

    As you can see from the spell links there are a ton of spells to go through to cover every type.

    Yther Ore.
  3. alidan Lorekeeper

    Mostly we need to strip mobs of buffs, and I want to know which classes get the best clickies/abilities/spells so we can optimize.

    none of the normal places I go to figure this out have a search term for this.
  4. Yther Augur

    The best are the remove detrimental lines like the Ranger Nature's Entropy line of spells.
    Should be most of those type of spells as follows:
    Silver Breath http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=1480
    Abolish Enchantment http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=1792
    Nature's Balance http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=5314
    Hushed Disturbance http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=6379
    Silent Disturbance http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=6395
    Breath of Silver http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=8736
    Illixis' Essence of Music http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=8860
    Fabled Silver Breath http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=9031
    Whispering Wind http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=9641
    Abolishing Mist http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=9657
    Whispering Wind http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=11587
    Nature's Entropy http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=11845
    Nature's Entropy Rk. II http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=11846
    Nature's Entropy Rk. III http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=11847
    Phobonull http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=12130
    Nature's Decay http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=15071
    Nature's Decay Rk. II http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=15072
    Nature's Decay Rk. III http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=15073
    Nature's Decay http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=19203
    Nature's Decay Rk. II http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=19204
    Nature's Decay Rk. III http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=19205
    Self Denial http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=23239
    Abrupt Awakening http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=23451
    Negation http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=23452
    Kolos' Ravaging Teeth http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=31052
    Clean Soul http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=31147
    Kolos' Ravaging Teeth http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=31488
    Siphon Healing I http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=31551
    Siphon Healing II http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=31552
    Siphon Healing III http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=31553
    Siphon Healing IV http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=31554
    Siphon Healing V http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=31555
    Deprivation http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=31948
    Deprivation http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=32225



    You'll have to check the links to see where they come from and if they're on any clicky items. If you have a Ranger, they would probably be the best bet, since they get this spell line as well as the cancel magic line (annul magic being the best one that Rangers get). Monks get a chest clicky from Overlord Mata Muram that is the same Nature's Balance as the first Rng of that line. Many classes get the cancel magic line, but it will dispell beneficial and detrimental effects. The Nature's Balance line only removes beneficial, so you can slow them, then dispell them without worrying about removing the slow, unlike the cancel magic line.

    EDIT: Another link to same line of spells, just in case I missed some: http://raidloot.com/Spells.aspx?effect=dispel beneficial

    Hope this helps,

    Yther Ore.
  5. Ismel Augur

  6. alidan Lorekeeper

    Thanks
    Ok, now here is a question

    Dispel Beneficial (9)

    Now the particular spell i'm looking at does this 3 times, im guessing, so that would hit 3 spells. but what does the (9) mean, because the way im seeing it there is little difference between many of the clickies i can use, and many of the spells others can. But for some reason, my clickie will never remove a spell, but others abilities will.
  7. alidan Lorekeeper



    I am able to use that, however, i am useing right now
    http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=67900

    and the rod looks to do 3 buffs, but its the same effect otherwise.
  8. Yther Augur

    I'm not absolute sure what the 9 means, but assume it's better chance to remove an effect, 'cause the 3 rk spells are (8), (9), and (10), respectively. You are correct, if it is in 3 slots, then it dispels 3 buffs at a time / cast. I never played with the different spells enough to determine what the 8, 9, and 10 differences for sure. Just my assumption. Probably along the same lines as the numbers for Cancel Magic (9) mean, if you find that answer some where, since most cancel magic lines are rated at (9), 'cept for a few, like Cancel Magic spell is a (1). Similarly, on the Cancel Magic lines, it's the number of slots with the effect that determines the amount of buffs.

    Yther Ore.
  9. feiddan Augur

    Old monk BP clickies also have a dispel.
  10. Yther Augur

  11. Gorkeyah New Member

    Abashi's will be hard to get. Monk omm bp works. I find that the other monk bps rarely work.
  12. Fanra https://everquest.fanra.info

    Here are some monk only ones http://everquest.fanra.info/wiki/Monk#Removes_mob_buffs:
    I've found the Osh'vir's Whisperwind Tunic appears to not remove mob buffs as well as the Fiercehand Shroud of the Focused and Mist-Blessed Leather Tunic. The Osh'vir's Whisperwind Tunic also appears to be on the same timer as other monk abilities, while the others don't seem to be, so sometimes Osh'vir's just doesn't work for a while.

    I've been afraid to mention anything to the Devs about the problems with the Osh'vir's Whisperwind Tunic because I'm afraid they will look at all the tunics and announce that they all should be as bad as the Osh'vir's Whisperwind Tunic and it was not intended that the others be as good as they are and the nerf bat will arrive.

    I haven't tested the Hardened Energeiac Leather Tunic because I don't have it. So I don't know how well it works.

    Also, these tunics are great for pulling mobs. Better and faster than throwing something at them.
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  13. Kiillz Augur

    Radvar's Rod pf Disruption also had Abolish Enchantment aside from Abashi's
  14. Teferi_Zebuxoruk Master

  15. Fanra https://everquest.fanra.info

    Thanks for pointing out that they share the Recast Type 16 timer. That must be the issue (or at least one of them). SOE needs to remove the recast timer on Osh'vir's Whisperwind Tunic and Hardened Energeiac Leather Tunic, it doesn't make sense to be locked out of them for 10 minutes just because you use a modern tunic.
  16. Yther Augur

    Bah, me and typing are not friends. :( I meant Remove Beneficial line of spells, which the Rng Nature's Balance line are and the monk BP clickies, etc.

    Yther Ore.
  17. Ssixa Augur

    It does make sense, and changing the recast type isn't likely to happen for those monk bps. Every class' TSS Raid BP and all class BPs onward have a recast type 16. They aren't going to change it for monks only. If you want to remove buffs like that, the Fiercehand tunic is pretty easy to get these days, if you don't mind grinding out some faction in Anguish.