Healer Merc - spell line up sucks

Discussion in 'The Veterans' Lounge' started by Weake Aggro, Mar 1, 2017.

  1. Weake Aggro Lorekeeper

    A plaguebone skeleton on 3/1/2017
    Nodella - 36
    --- Ardent Elixir Rk. II - 1
    --- Ardent Light Rk. II - 12
    --- Convalescent Splash Rk. II - 5
    --- Fervid Renewal Rk. II - 2
    --- Promised Rehabilitation Rk. II - 3
    --- Spiritual Remedy Rk. II - 13
    Produced by GamParse v1.5.1.7
    This is a Tier V Journeyman on reactive....
    Anyone got a clue when they decided to change the cleric merc spell line up?
  2. yepmetoo Abazzagorath

    You know you can spell block right? Can prevent the clerics from casting dumb spells.
  3. Weake Aggro Lorekeeper

    This is the cleric on balanced
    A plaguebone skeleton on 3/1/2017

    Nodella - 22
    --- Ardent Elixir Rk. II - 5
    --- Ardent Light Rk. II - 8
    --- Convalescent Splash Rk. II - 2
    --- Promised Rehabilitation Rk. II - 7

    Produced by GamParse v1.5.1.7
  4. Weake Aggro Lorekeeper


    If i was going to do that i would have to block all these
    Ardent Elixir Rk. II
    Ardent Light Rk. II
    Convalescent Splash Rk. II
    Fervid Renewal Rk. II
    Promised Rehabilitation Rk. II
    Then the cleric would only chain cast
    Spiritual Remedy Rk. II

    Not sure that's the answer....
  5. Sancus Augur

    In what way was the lineup changed? I loaded a cast parse of my healer merc from August/September 2016...

    Combined: A determined invader on 8/14/2016

    Werlanae - 2931
    --- Antidote - 1
    --- Ardent Elixir Rk. II - 1
    --- Ardent Light Rk. II - 1597
    --- Convalescent Splash Rk. II - 30
    --- Fervid Renewal Rk. II - 320
    --- Greater Ward of Vie Rk. II - 6
    --- Nullify Corruption Rk. II - 1
    --- Promised Rehabilitation Rk. II - 1
    --- Slain - 1
    --- Spiritual Remedy Rk. II - 934
    --- Surety Rk. II - 1
    --- Unblemished Blood Rk. II - 4
    --- Word of Greater Reformation Rk. II - 33
    --- Yaulp XIV Rk. II - 1

    Produced by GamParse v1.5.2.0

    It looks like it's casting a mix of Ardent Light, Spiritual Remedy, and Fervid Renewal, just like your merc is. You've always needed to block Promised Rehabilitation and Ardent Elixer.

    Do you have a parse showing there was a change in what they cast?

    Edit: Went back to March/April 2015:

    Combined: A gehein soulcrusher on 3/26/2015

    Werlanae - 1157
    --- Ardent Elixir Rk. II - 9
    --- Ardent Light Rk. II - 554
    --- Benediction of Piety Rk. II - 3
    --- Convalescent Splash Rk. II - 32
    --- Cry Havoc - 1
    --- Elixir of the Seas Rk. II - 1
    --- Fervid Renewal Rk. II - 119
    --- Greater Ward of Vie Rk. II - 2
    --- Promised Rehabilitation Rk. II - 7
    --- Received Chromatic Haze - 11
    --- Slain - 1
    --- Spiritual Remedy Rk. II - 407
    --- Unblemished Blood Rk. II - 1
    --- Word of Greater Reformation Rk. II - 20

    Produced by GamParse v1.5.2.0

    Looks the same to me.
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  6. Brohg Augur

    That would totally work, if all you want, only, ever, is one heal per tick. It would be only barely more effective in that mode than if you blocked all but Ardent Elixir instead...

    Also, yeah, what Sanctus says. That's their spell linup. Those are cleric spells. Dunno what you're even looking for, tbh
  7. Weake Aggro Lorekeeper

    I reloaded OS to windows 10 and forgot to reblock spells.
    Thanks for reminding me what needs blocking
    I really forgot that they ever casted those
  8. Weake Aggro Lorekeeper

    A stonegazer cockatrice on 3/1/2017
    Nodella - 25
    --- Ardent Elixir Rk. II - 1
    --- Ardent Light Rk. II - 13
    --- Fervid Renewal Rk. II - 2
    --- Spiritual Remedy Rk. II - 5
    --- Word of Greater Reformation Rk. II - 4
    Produced by GamParse v1.5.1.7
    this is much better to what i was used too
  9. Weake Aggro Lorekeeper

    From EOK beta, i pulled this log...
    Day 1 of beta for me
    An honored citizen on 10/19/2016

    Nodella - 105
    --- Ardent Light Rk. II - 72
    --- Fervid Renewal Rk. II - 13
    --- Spiritual Remedy Rk. II - 20

    Produced by GamParse v1.5.1.7
    A burynai taskmaster on 11/10/2016

    Nodella - 23
    --- Ardent Light Rk. II - 9
    --- Fervid Renewal Rk. II - 3
    --- Spiritual Remedy Rk. II - 11

    Produced by GamParse v1.5.1.7


    last Day i was in beta

    A mountain giant steep on 11/11/2016

    Nodella - 114
    --- Ardent Light Rk. II - 70
    --- Convalescent Splash Rk. II - 2
    --- Fervid Renewal Rk. II - 12
    --- Spiritual Remedy Rk. II - 27
    --- Word of Greater Reformation Rk. II - 3

    Produced by GamParse v1.5.1.7
    So the mercs rotation was indeed different.
  10. Weake Aggro Lorekeeper

    Live server the last day I played before my break
    A Kromdul walker on 12/21/2016

    Nodella - 18
    --- Ardent Light Rk. II - 9
    --- Fervid Renewal Rk. II - 3
    --- Spiritual Remedy Rk. II - 6

    Produced by GamParse v1.5.1.7
  11. Sancus Augur

    Every parse here has the same rotation: the vast majority of casts are Ardent Light, Spiritual Remedy, and Fervid Renewal.

    Just because mercs very occasionally use Convalescent Splash or Word of Greater Reformation doesn't mean their rotation has changed, they just use them so infrequently that you won't see them in every fight. I'd imagine mercs use those two spells if specific conditions are met (e.g. need to group heal w/ splash or cure w/ reformation).

    *cough* Sancus *cough*
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  12. Randragon Augur

    So what's the consensus on which spells to block?

    I don't play a healer class so I would like to know please.
  13. Bigstomp Augur

    I don't see a problem with the OPs spell parse from a merc.
  14. GoldenFrog Augur

    Block Complete Heal, Ardent Elixir, and Promised Rehabilitation
  15. Weake Aggro Lorekeeper


    If you have to use your merc on reactive... I believe that is telling the cleric to go into fast healing mode.
    IE. Cast as fast as you can.
    My issue is the merc isn't using a fast heal spell line up on reactive

    lets look at cast times of what it is casting before we smartly block things
    We can tell its priority by the cast amount so i ordered them by the mercs priority
    --- Spiritual Remedy Rk. II - 13 - Cast time .5
    --- Ardent Light Rk. II - 12 cast time 3.8
    --- Convalescent Splash Rk. II - 5 cast time 3.0
    --- Promised Rehabilitation Rk. II - 3 cast time .3
    --- Fervid Renewal Rk. II - 2 cast time 3.0
    --- Ardent Elixir Rk. II - 1 - only cast out of combat so don't matter.


    See that 3.8 cast time in there? That's called the tank killer. Here is why its only a 13k heal.
    I don't know what math is applied to the mercs base heal but 13k is the base heal amount of ardent light.

    my warrior tanking this mob in lceanium took 746052 dmg over 177 seconds.

    That means the average damage per second the tank was receiving was 4,215.
    4215 * 3.8 cast time = 16016 meaning the tank just took more dmg then the healer is healing for.
    See the problem now?
    now lets roll that into the next spell the merc casts 3.0 seconds for 6152 base heal
    that means now the tank is taking an additional 12645 dmg in the time the merc has cast a 6 k heal
    See the issue yet?

    This is an average dmg... which in reality is not how dmg rolls, meaning the situation can be better or worse but it should illustrate the situation well.
  16. Weake Aggro Lorekeeper

    I respect what your saying Sancus, but the logic is flawed.Casting convalescent splash for 6152 heal for a 3.0 second cast instead of casting syllable of convalescence for 11215 with the same cast time in my mind is insane.

    I am all for the merc casting Word of greater reformation to do cures.
  17. IblisTheMage Augur

    Could there be a different lineup of blocked spells that gave the result you are after?
  18. Weake Aggro Lorekeeper

    Yeah Iblis I think i had a set of spells blocked that gave me the result that i was seeing early in beta.

    In beta i started on windows 10 and by the end of beta i was running a clean install of windows 8.1

    I took a break from eq in dec and reformated to windows 10 again.

    So this is clearly a what to block issue.
  19. Millianna Augur

    The mercs in general just suck. Any real cleric at level can out heal it with the remedy line alone. The healer merc takes ninja afk breaks all the time. Sometimes they let you die without casting a heal and then rez you after you died.
  20. Gundolin Augur

    Ever try playing with a tank merc?
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