[Unmentioned 3rd Party Software] Legal?

People will rage when a 6 boxer takes the frenzied ghoul camp.

Yes because pay to win is a classic eq experience for mmo'ers in the 1990's. No thats a new concept for this younger generation. I have the means and ability to box, I choose not to pay to win. Its a choice, some of us choose not to do so, because its not a classic experience.

I agree, now are you saying this server will never have expansions? If not then yes it is a classic server. If it will then nope, not classic.

If you ever hear someone say they were banned for using [Unmentioned 3rd Party Software] you need to follow up with this question. What else were you using? Unless you are using another program to help automate things [Unmentioned 3rd Party Software] is 100% legal and anyone that says they were banned from it is lying.

He specifically qualified "as close to classic as they can get it," implying, unambiguously, that certain portions are not inherently classic. Your deliberate mischaracterization of his statement to advance your own position is obnoxious.

It's classic EQ for 6 months, after that it is a era Kunark server. Sheesh. What is so hard? They used a name "Classic" to indicate no expansions. There are no expansions, it is the Classic EQ era. By your definition, P99 is certainly not a classic eq server either.

I personally don't use [Unmentioned 3rd Party Software], because I am too lazy to learn a complicated system like that. WinEQ2 works fine for me to swiftly cycle between windows, where I manually push my buttons. But so long as someone isn't abusing [Unmentioned 3rd Party Software], I have no problem if they do.

I've had 2 accounts and two computers boxing since 2002. But I've never used 3rd party cheats. I group but always let everyone know I have a box and will log that toon if they like (usually after it buffs the group). I've seen many that abuse boxing but there are more like myself.

I think your logic is flawed. Yes they made some changes to match up some things with "Classic" feel, but there are a number of changes they aren't making and not just ones for pure coding limitation reasons. Case in point, the in game store, while limited, still exist. They also aren't bothering to limit things like leadership AA's and various UI enhancements with just a few exceptions. Even if they could give us the original UI back I highly doubt they would because of all the modding it would need just to be compatible with the UI features they are opting to keep for playability enhancement reasons.

Point is they are making the "Gameplay" (the zones available, mob you find up to kill, experience you gain and loot that drops) experience, match as close as they can but they are purposely avoiding restricting other things that they feel would've been included in 1999 if the conditions were the same as they are today (cash stores being almost universal, boxing being almost universal, UI enhancements that are essentially universal, ect...) Just because it hadn't been conceived yet nor technically capable yet in 1999 doesn't mean its incompatible with the "Classic" experience.

There are several threads about the suspensions already, and the response from the LeadGM is part of the post.

Define "cheat". Because what I am taking away from that is if someone uses [Unmentioned 3rd Party Software] or WinEQ2 to make boxing easier (not automated) then they are cheating.

I have met 2 boxers like you, and I respect them, and usually don't mind them being in my group unless it prevents a player already there from playing as well. My issue is with the 3-6 boxers, who do use programs, and do circumvent individual input per screen, and are in essence, cheating.

don't see how [Unmentioned 3rd Party Software] is legal when you pay a 3rd party every month to use their software. thought 3rd party software use was illegal.

Sure it did, you just needed a strong desk to hold the monitors!



I've been boxing EQ since Kunark and I knew lots of others who boxed in classic long before I started.

Both of those programs "can" be used to cheat. Doesn't mean you are using them in that fashion, but they could be (and some people admit they are).

On EQ2?

Have not seen this on EQ.

Yeah wasn't the guy that did the Dilbert comic strip well known for his hydra? Or was that guy famous for something else he wrote? I forget, it's been years.

3rd party software that "automates gameplay" is illegal.

Back in 2000 I knew a guy who was making a comfortable living 6boxing and selling stuff on Ebay.

Yes and that many boxing is using scripts, which has always been illegal in EQ, and most other mmo's as well.

I know you can use [Unmentioned 3rd Party Software] questionably, but have you ever used WinEQ2? Because you can't use it in a questionable fashion. I'm pretty sure that's why they moved past and built [Unmentioned 3rd Party Software]. Still, Smedley said several years ago that WinEQ2 was fine to use, and since he is still in charge, to me that remains the case until he says otherwise.