oh look, someone who hasn't realized higby is a complete ******* moron yet. here's some statistical FACTS for you: the lancer was pure garbage at launch, while the phoenix was ridiculously overpowered. lancer is still barely usable, and only effective in large numbers, whereas strikers and phoenixs can be used solo to great effect Vortexes STILL aren't worth using over comets, while ravens are more than a little OP'd, not to mention fractures magrider got nerfed HARD, while vanguard and prowler both got incredibly overbuffed, with the prowler having a major veclocity bug in the game for WEEKS (they got 100% velocity, a huge advantage) higby is on record stating that the lasher was 'the best gun in the game hands down' when it's only useful at point defense, and other guns can do the exact same job much more effectively. hibgy has proven time and time again that he's an idiot who doesn't know the first thing about proper game design or balance. he's also proven time and time again that he lets his faction bias (he plays NC) influence his design decisions that comment about VS only using overpowered weapons is so far off base is isn't even funny. what about fractures? where's their nerf? scatmaxes STILL instagib any infantry within 10 meters,and while TR and VS have range, the CoF, RoF, and damage are so pathetic it isn't even funny compared to scatmaxes. lets not forget not a SINGLE vs lmg can cert adv foregrip. TR and NC get adv foregrip on at least one lmg, NC has at least 2 I can think of offhand. very few VS lmg's can cert compensator AND foregip, and the ones that CAN gain almost no benefit from it. meanwhile, TR and NC have quite a few foregrip + comp options, and those options all gain a much greater benefit.
Did you notice that he said there wasn't a massively significant shift in K/D but that the biggest shift was in the number of people USING maxes? That's the problem. The stigma got going that ZOE was more overpowered than it actually was and people on both sides bought into it. The statistical FACT as you state it is that people play things that are perceived to be powerful. Perceptions aren't always accurate. Need proof? Before ZOE, VS maxes had the highest kill death ratio yet were constantly considered relatively underpowered. If we're making the same assumption that Higby is (that K/D = balance), this perception was clearly wrong.
Here's a good stat for you, nearly 50% of all airplane high jackings in history have been in the U.S. Since that's true, we should just NEVER fly planes and the TSA should strip everyone nude, then do full cavity searches for the few of us that do have to fly. Lets entirely forget that there have only been a handful of highjackings ever while there are over a million flights a year. Higby just said the KDR of the VS, he didn't say anything else. He didn't say how much are pulled, the ratios of various factions, what the KDR of the other MAX's, what the score rates of all the MAX's are. He left out ALL the other data which means what he said doesn't mean jack squat and can't be taken to mean much at all.
I guess the VS HA are such awesome players as a whole, that the highest scoring LMG is VS. Only the HA players, because the rest of you must be pretty bad. http://ps2-stats.com/weapon/infantry/
Oh so the VS max was the best before ZOE eh? just like the manticore is the best pistol(despite being equal to magshot in nearly all respects, but less accurate in certain situations) and the force blade is the best knife (despite being exactly the same as the other knifes) and the jackhammer is better than every LMG (except the sva-88) and better than every other shotgun. Its almost like the fewer people use the gun/weapon/class the higher it scores (VS knife gets this because there are fewer total VS)
What a joke, why would you pull a max to get 3.5 kills on average, HAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAAAHAHAHAHAHA. No thanks, ill just use my charge ability and get killstreaks of 150 instead.
The MAX abilities are all supposed to be situational. ZOE is now situational like the shield and lockdown. It still is an extremely strong ability. I would love to have it over the other abilities simply because in any PVP game, spike damage reigns supreme.
it's also a statistical FACT that VS are, generally, more skilled than NC or TR players. why is a matter of debate. I personally go with the theory that because we're almost always outnumbered by huge margins, we naturally become more skilled because if we didn't we'd get steamrolled 24/7. we also CONSTANTLY get **** on, screwed over, and told to deal with it by the LEAD DESIGNER, which is totally unacceptable for ANY game developer, so we have to overcome our hard-coded handicaps
Oh, but think about it. You have these 10 elite players playing a certain class. The class is considered under-powered. Yet they are performing far better than those other players who play with much better stuff. Then those 10 elite players are joined by 500 idiots after a certain patch which adds a skill to the class. Those 500 idiots, who have not played with the class before, perform very bad. Yet the AVERAGE stat goes up, not only marginally but very substantially. My guess is that those 500 idiots did not magically learn how to play this game, something else happened. Can you guess what? This did not happen on the other classes, for the other factions are yet to be thrown under a nerf-train.
"VS are, generally, more skilled than NC or TR players" such phrases like this, goes in my book in same direction , as someone, speaking about himself saying words like - my intelligent gameplay, i am ps2 mlg pro...my superior tactical moves.. such self-love, make you look really stupid.
Oh what's that? TR scores more than the VS does on the exact same item? Even though the VS has far better score on LMG-class weaponry? I guess skill can't explain that. Gee, I sure wonder what kind of a magical word can describe these guns if even bad players do very well on them...
When i posted that the topic was in General Discussion, not here in Test Server Discussion. We all know how silly that section can get with people who never even logged into test things out for themselves before they want to jump on it and make wild arguments based on faceless opinions.
ZOE just made the MAX operators that were already good, GODLY. Also, for almost a week the stupid squishies on the TR and NC didn't deal with a ZOE MAX correctly. They're run away, try and shoot rockets, try and solo it. Took them almost two weeks but they're dealing with them correctly now, in groups using concentrated fire or with C4/mine traps.
nah. i'm man enough to admit my ps2 skills suck pretty hard. I don't play enough, I get frustrated at being steamrolled constantly, and usually end up playing for about 45 minutes, and I generally stick to support, like medic, engy, piloting, etc. that's why I used the word 'generally' there's some really good TR and NC players out there. there's also some really BAD vs players (I've seen worse VS players than myself).
