Why TR is the worst faction

We must have different standards for what decent accuracy is lol.

Being able to land enough shots to kill the quickest. I think the CARV wins in that category.

I guess that the reason is because TR had soo *so much OP stuff for soon *so long that their plaerbase *player-base - yeah I know typo hunting is low-hanging fruit, but you have surely earned it. got used to it.Yeah, your right, no-one else ever had any OP stuff they got used to and surely never complained when things changed.
The old prowler cannons brutal vs infantry , Compared to what? The fact that you get two shots is what makes the Prowler a more effective infantry-farming weapon. this was nerfed. A long time ago. Vulcan Harassers brutal OP Harassers in general was brutally OP, but the fact that Vulcans and Marauders who's range was and still is limited had their weaknesses all but removed by the Harasser made the especially bad. All of these got nerfed and are history. vs vehicles and striker brutal vs air. Got nerfed. A long time ago. Also short period while fractures were OP. Got nerfed. a long time ago.
Banshee is still op. Compared to what? Light PPA? Yeah, sure...
TR had loong periods of easy mode game cruches and when it was brought in line with other two factions suddenly from dominating every server they became balanced loosing the players that were there for easy mode and became whinny. Hilarious. First of, your projecting and generalizing in the extreme. Secondly you seem rather... sore. Not gotten over the past yet, is my bed. That's okay, I remember the ZOE-pocalypse too, and the people who left in droves. What's the difference between me and you, hmm? *I* recall the ZOE travesty, but still don't think that VS don't deserve to have functional gear. You however seem to be so Butt-hurt that you are blatantly saying TR don't get to have anything balanced and fixed, because YOU don't like TR based on the past conditions of OP status that HAS PREVIOUSLY EXISTED and are over a long time ago.

Good example proving my point is to compare Zoe and striker and NC scattercanons. ZOE is still to weak to be functional, Striker is still to weak to be functional, I don't see any issue with the NC scattercannons at all - they murder you inside of 20 meters, slower the further out you get, and can kill your outside that range - if you hit well, and several times. That balances the Scat-MAX with VS and TR MAX'es whom also kill you very quickly in close encounters, and less effectively outside of CQB. If there is a problem for you, YOU WILL EXPLAIN IT.
This stuff was OP for long periods and got nerfed yet only TR continue to whine in all possible ways requesting back their OP stuff. Totally, there has never been any NC or VS whine-treads about anything at all recently. It's only ever TR whining, and what's worse, they don't deserve it because your still butt-hurt about conditions that ended several months ago and can't let go of this fact.

Now notice that TR takes more dev time with the constant changes of their stuff because of the huge whining at all fronts. Indeed, it's a conspiracy for the devs to feed their favorite, whiny faction because their stuff is not blatantly OP anymore, and we can't have that, can we?
If TR and TR stuff was soo bad then none would play TR yet from massive overpopulation they went to balanced after the nerfs so the devs done right by removing TR op stuff. By this logic any faction that has huge pop advantages should be horribly OP, right? NO ONE WILL EVER PLAY A FACTION THAT'S BALANCED, RIGHT!? I guess Emerald VS is horribly OP then and their pop reflects this.

So for me TR is worst faction because the constant baseless whining of the TR playerbase. Your irrelevant personal opinion based on nothing but your own butt-hurt impressions of the TR's past imbalances have been noted. For the rest of us non-haters we will go on and we will argue for or against fixes, buffs and balances based in the PRESENT situation and PRESENT imbalances.

Kindly go work that stick out of your rear and come back to us when you got something a bit more constructive to share.

I'm not sure that is particularly true.

But even if it were, when you consider players in general or even players in just the top 25% it isn't true.


Some TR weapon are easier to just pick up certainly, but when you then look at their top rated performance they still perform just as well as the others.

There seems to be a myth being build up that "server smashes" have nothing but NC using AC-X11 and N6 SAWs 100% headshotting everyone - and that's patently not correct, I'd even go so far as to say they wouldn't remotely be the NCs weapons of choice in any server smash or in general because they aren't the best weapons the NC have (even if you can 100% headshot - somehow).

There is no such myth, you've gone off into "literally no one ever said what you're arguing with" land again.

I know there's no such reality, but it is a myth that seems to be peddled in the hope of some traction quite a lot, you're implying it yourself above.

There's no way for example that an Anchor could better than an MSW-R or an EM-6 could better than a CARV because..... headshots from uber players, and infact with the weapons where it could happen it still doesn't.

Which is basically what all of this "TR is the worst faction" thread is build upon, myth, innuendo and plain incorrect statements.

So in Goretzu land we learn "Higher accuracy benefits good players" can be interpreted as -

"Headshots from uber players using SAW and AC-X11 100% all the time in server smashes"


It's funny you can't see how far off into Goretzu land you go when interpreting even fairly simple statements. I guess it shouldn't surprise me you actually think there's such a myth being peddled.

Fellgnome, your are arguing that NC-type weapons are better because they have better potential accuracy and better TTK than TR-type weapons if the user of the weapon is skillful enough to get many headshots while the higher damage per magazine of TR-type weapons is not an issue at all.

The point Goretzu is making: if your argument would be practically true we would see much more high skill players using weapons like NC6 or AC-X11 which have high potential accuracy and extremely short headshot TTK. But this is not the case, even the most skillfull NC players prefer weapons with other defining characteristics like better body TTK, better hipfire, better ROF... etc. So obviously your theory is not supported by the actual game despite being theoretically sound. Deal with it

I play TR connery most mornings, and today was no exception to the normal population imbalance you come to expect. Amerish. 28%TR, 28% NC and 44% VS, like it is everyday, pretty much.

TR ended up warpgatted as NC and VS boxed us in and did not fight each other the other continent Esamir, was a ghost town, I like to shoot enemy's not sit on control points twiddling thumbs.

I have played 400 hours only seen TR win an alert a few times. I rarely get play during US prime when it is alot better, maybe I should change server.

That's really the crux of the problem here. Too many TR weapons totally suck outside of close range. Close being relative to the weapon class but the point remains. So you have a Cougar or Jaguar or TRAC-5 and you're engaging someone with a Pulsar C or Mercenary or ACX-11 and they just obliterate you at a distance where your TR gun is ****. You're spraying bullets all over the ******* place while they are nailing you with most of their shots.

Same happens in vehicles and why I use AP Lightning exclusively. The Prowler is good at long range but all the damn empire specific top guns are close range guns. I would even argue the Prowler isn't that good hence why I don't use the damn thing. Everyone always points out the stats on paper... neat... that's so useful. Go use the damn thing. You have to land BOTH shots to do that epic damage on paper. It's like they did everything possible to give us good numbers but the worst way to deliver that damage.

Large magazine size is totally ruined by HUGE reload times. It's insane! I often run back to a terminal to reload because it's faster! People always whine about having to reload on VS and NC... yeah well at least you can dip around a corner, reload, and be ready before they engage you again. TR you have to plan every god damn reload and often times get caught with your magazine out.

As TR you're almost always better off with NS weapons than any faction specific weapon. I'll take a Halberd or Fury or Bulldog any day over a Vulcan or Marauder. I'll take an NS 15M over any TR LMG (only the T32 Bull comes close). I'll take the Annihilator of the new T2 Sh1tter.

To qualify my opinion...
TR BR 94
VS BR 60
NC BR 58

I've played since right after release... I've played all factions quite a bit.

*yawn* thanks for playing....

Close mate, it's;

TR = hard mode
NC = normal
VS = easy mode

Have you never wondered why Grapes are so massively over pop most of the time? All the bads rush to the easy-win side

Funny when you think about TR has been overpop since beta.

Anyway, its:

TR: Easy
NC: Easy
VS: Easy

Riiight, that's why you people are at around 40-50% pop every time I log in. To say nothing of when an alert rolls out and everyone jumps ship to the ez mode VS to get an easy win.

Either way this thread seems to be going in circles. Infantry weapons are generally okay across the board, a little lackluster here or there sure. The problem is how glaringly overpowered vehicles are(flash doesn't count) They're too cheap, too powerful and in the case of the mmagrider, way too easy to use. We need stronger AV and AA weapons, the would solve the majority of our problems as far as balance goes.

Yes, another person who thinks his server is the absolute truth about population worldwide.

Or rather:

My faction = Hard mode
The faction I regularly farm = Normal mode
The faction I don't like = Easy mode

Because I should have a deep vested interest in a server I don't play? Wake up, we only know what we see so my server is the only one I'm concerned about. And on MY server, VS are the easy-mode spam faction that everyone Fourth Factions to to scoop up easy wins.

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Exactly I'd have no problem believing that it to be true if it were actually happening, but it is not...... so it is.... er... not.

Otherwise it is like arguing that the Lochness Monster would be really dangerous...... if only it existed.

Exactly how it works. Especially when it comes to infantry weapons, "BUT YOU HAVE 0.05 LESS COF!!! OP!!!!!!!!!!oenene!!!11!!!!!!!"

If you dont have an interest in what the population actual is, then why do you comment on it - and furthermore why do you make a conclusion that VS is easy mode based on something you never investigated.

By this logic every faction who is overpop on x server is easymode.

Bye bye logic sense.