Why is NC so Damn Hard to Fight?

I really really hate fighting NC lately, yet it's inevitable. They are everywhere. The reason I hate fighting them is because their infantry is so damn hard to kill. I get pegged by a BR 3 before his shields are down! And we start firing at the same time! I know NC guns have higher damage (which current ES gun traits are pure-BS IMO), but the carbines are stupid-accurate too. I don't get it. Even with a shotgun I'm barely a match for NC infantry. Oh man and those slugs for the MAX? Holy crap! Where is that accuracy and range for the TR MAX? Where is that damage for the VS MAX?

I hate to be the guy that cries "NC is favored and is OP", but ****, I don't know any other way to put it. I play as all factions and always have a KDR of 2 or 3 against TR or VS as any faction, but no matter who I am, my KDR vs NC drops to a decimal. To me, the NC super-guns are the biggest fun-killer. Not that TR or VS have bad guns. Maybe it's because the NC entry guns are so powerful? What's the downside? Range? Because they seem just as effective at the longest range and other faction fights at.

Seriously, how is it supposed to be balanced? Where is the balance between NC guns and those of other factions? Really! I'm asking!

INB4 Don't comment "Here we go again". Be constructive or keep it to yourself. Don't say "nerf", because that's not what I'm saying. Nerfing is what flushing this game down the ****ter.

NC Scatmax is a problem, kills extremely fast upclose and with slugs can deal solidly on medium range also there's the Jackhammer spam, jackhammer kills too fast with the burst up close, that's also a problem.

In general what's wrong with NC is low effort high reward Empire specific weapons and traits which is really bad for the game, but then almost the same could be said for PPA spawn camp and m14banshee facerollage.

Phoenix Rockets

Phoenix Rockets everywhere!

Either way this statement does not give you any immunity to all of the above.

NC have the highest TTK in most scenarios.
I'm going to put this either down to either bad luck, mental block or the NC on your server being Higher skill players. Maybe better outfits then your other opponents.

Bad luck is hocus pocus. Mental block would make sense if it wasn't so pinpointed. NC having higher skills makes sense, but its a new thing withing the past few months. These guys aren't in outfits. Highest TTK? I can't see that being possible unless I don't get an indication of them until their system already registers me dead.

NC have the lowest TTK in CQC thanks to shotgun max's and Shotguns/Jackhammer.

NC have equal too or better TTK against vehicles with max AV weapons.

At range NC guns have the easiest to control recoil (nearly all of its verticle) and lowest damage drop off thanks to higher damage weapons. Both of which make their infantry weapons exceptional at range where accuracy matters vastly more then TTK. Vanu only edge that by having no bullet drop.

When facing NC it's Phoenix rockets everywhere! which is one of the biggest advantages NC get. You just can't approach a NC base or position without complete cover and a lot of infantry support.

I got BR 84 by killing a VS sniper with a Phoenix rocket. Phoenix OP, please nerf.

"Seriously, how is it supposed to be balanced? Where is the balance between NC guns and those of other factions? Really! I'm asking"!

I don't know what server you're on, but the Connery NC are complete noobs. Always underpop and haven't won an alert (besides one at like 4 AM pacific time) in forever. The only guns I would consider "OP" are the EM6-but long range only- and the GD7F-but only at close range. I'm actually glad whenever I'm pitted against NC in an alert because I know it's easy XP.

But they only have a range of 300 meters.........


So they are infantry render distance range! lol

1st off, every faction is open to the shotgun options. The Jackhammer is a "jack of all trades and a master of none" shotgun.
At range the NC have the hardest time connecting shots due to how SOE decided that low RoF weapons also have a lower velocity.

The Gauss Saw is a fine example of why 200 Damage weapons are awful at long distance. Basicly it turns your weapon into a worse version of the "Battle Rifle" and we all know how bad that weapon is.

Also it's been stated time and time and time again, that the TTK difference between a NC max and TR/VS max is 0.3 seconds.
Which is nothing considering the TR and VS can get of more potential kills per magazine then the NC Scat Max.

And if some people are still having issues with somthing that makes one of the loudest and most recognisable sounds in the game. And still fail to shoot at it, (or move away from it as it's speed is slower then a sundie) then that hardly the Phoenix users fault, when it has major DPS issues.

Rendering behind a hill/rock/spawn shields/bush where the tank's can't hit them.

Given your other thread you seem to think it's great that tanks are not able to hit NC anti-tank infantry but think it's game breaking when you can't hit VS/TR's anti-tank infantry.

Most of the higher RoF weapons statistically have faster TTK rates, than ones with Lower RoF. Was what I was referring to Munr m8. It's like 0.2 - 0.6 seconds which is nothing really.
If anything Lower RoF weapons are hard mode and reward better skill level players.

First off NC shotgun max has a TTK of 0.0 seconds. You tried to say NC has the highest TTK which is a complete and utter lie if ever i heard one. Shotguns are king in CQC and the Jackhammer is one of the best shotguns in the game with a DPS of 2500+. That's more then other infantry weapon in that game.

It seems the NC's forumside crew are adapt at lying at this point when you say the GodSAW is crap at range when it's universally praised by all factions including NC for its capability's.

Just because you can hear it coming doesn't mean you can prevent it making a massive difference on the battle field. You can hear a car coming but if 10 were intent on running you over your ONLY option is seek complete cover or end up ground into the pavement. That's the Phoenix for you.

The Phoenix forces NC/VS to hide ALL their armour when approaching a NC base or position that has 5+ heavy's spamming Phoenix rockets. You can't target the heavy's and the bigger the NC presence the worse it gets. NC don't have to deal with that crap so they have ZERO understanding of the issue. If the Phoenix was balanced you would see a equal number of dumb fires being used but you don't that's for sure.

All they understand is the certs rolling in from behind their hill / rock / spawn shield.

The NC MAX sacrifices everything for a CQC advantage. It can further sacrifice most of that CQC advantage to increase the effective range to ~20m, where it is still sub-par to TR/VS AI at killing power and sustained fire.

If you could read you could see my quote "NC have the highest TTK in most scenarios."
As for the Godsaw being praised by all NC. Only a "Handfull" praise it other wise why would it be 4th last here.

Jackhammer 2500+ dps? Not sure where you're geting that from. As the DPS tables on dasanfall.com does not show me any shotgun with a DPS over 800. Let alone the Jackhammer beating any of the Pump actions, Semi's or Autoshotguns on DPS (apart from the baron).

Lancers and Strikers positioned high can have the same effect as the Phoenix. Did you watch the Community Clash World Finals between DA and MCY? Lancer squad rekt MCY's tanks with "Team work".
If the Pheonix is being used in a team it's going to beat you. The best counter would be don't bring a tank to an infantry firefight when fighting against the NC in the "Cough" HE / Heat farm simulator.

1 Engineer can out heal a Phoenix. If you are geting hit by more than 2 Phoenix's you are getting killed (rightly so) by, 1st More players then you, 2nd team work.
If you had 1 engineer healing for every Phoenix HA, you would be more efficient play wise.

2500 DPS would = over the Pheonix in 1 shot every second btw. (Lol made my day).
You would infact be killing 2.5 players every second with that sort of DPS. xD

NC have the highest time to kill?

I must've been playing a different game for the past 9 months then...
On paper DPS and TTK mean nothing. I thought forumside would've learnt that by now.

NC players always say something like that. But "PPA OP, Higby pls. nerf" isnt that funny?

Broadly speaking yes. Infantry weapons with higher RoF have a slightly faster TTK's then low RoF weapons. If you check out the TTK calculations.

Unless you been living under a rock the last year or so yes the God SAw is universally known as one of the best LMG's in the game. It's up there with the Orion in terms of weapons people would love to have cross faction.

For every player sacrificing their time to repair the sunderer/MBT thats one less player the NC has to fight, one less player defending the sunderer and one less player manning that tanks gun.

Way to AVOID my argument. 5 Phoenixes is enough to instantly kill any tank/sunderer before anyone can repair it. That's why VS/TR have to hide their armour in every engagement with NC. NC don't need team work you only need 5 heavy's to make all armour in the area hide behind a rock for the entire fight regardless of the "team" work of your enemy. No other rocket launcher in the ghame has that ability and certainly not the striker

Shotguns have 800 or less DPS? What are you smoking?

Not me, I don't have any problems with PPA.