Why does DBG allows NC's terrible low win rate?

This explains a lot...

Not terribly strange. SPA adds quite a lot of CQC potential. Even if you aren't chaining them headshots, three headshot kills are better than four. EM6 is doing quite well, more usable on a HA who pushes enemy lines and expect to get ressed. Gotta love dat EM6 with ex mags.

I find it hard to believe that a 5m increase in damage range is solely responsible for the Anchor being top dog, while the EM6 sits solidly in the middle of the road.
Not to mention, do we even know if the average user runs SPA? Sure, there are really no downsides, but it's 100 certs, and I know a lot of players who leave their weapons completely stock just because.

The Bandit is more close range than the Mercenary but no where near the GD-7F. While the GD-7F shots disperse pretty bad past close range. The Bandit is the best compromise between close and mediim range carbines that NC has.

Better hipfire

Also, these stats go back before pre-LMG hipfire nerfs right?

THIS sums up every nay saying post in this thread

"based on this average stat the NC are actually 2% more accurate"
Next line
"If you have 100% accuracy without bullet travel calculated they are. 14% better than 145 guns

Yeah, sure thing. Noted.


I've always hated that NC versions of 143 stuff are just mediocre bootlegs instead of having retained some aspect of the nc trait. Increased max damage range for free? Better damage drop off to Make them retain "stopping power at range? 1 half tier less of damage drop off ?? Make all 143 weapons have 20 round mags that shoot 2 "bullets"at once with regular bullet patterns?

Nowadays the chance they would do something grand like that is higher than ever.

We already saw things like 0.75ADS disappear from a lot of weapons (and then found out that the weapons in question barely dropped a single % in capability, talking about a hyped up advantage). We just saw a grand overhaul of the infantry vs tanks and tank vs tank combat. We've seen huge things like construction (despite the flawed design)... So why wouldn't they finally awknowledge that something is wrong with the NC and give them proper traits?

What?!
They just changed the damage model for every single vehicle weapon in the game, ground and air.

Big sweeping changes can and will happen at any time, age of the game has nothing to do with it.

Maybe the future will proof me wrong.
But I don´t expect, that the developers will go deep into weopon mechanics and than going to change the half or third or all full automatic primaries in a big overhaul. I think there will be few smaller changes.
Just look what a struggle they had/have with directive reward weapons to make them a bit different. Also look at the last changes on LMG´s and Assaul Rifle´s, they lowered the minimum damage one tier to push their beloved NS weapons.

Main thing is here what the developers think, and what they will do or not do.
As an example take the NC MAX, we now they are different and it´s probably a topic since day one...
And I do think the Gorgon is the closest to TR/VS they will ever get.

New Conglomerate is on the rise!!! Not sure why, but last couple of days, NC is starting to represent on Emerald!

VS 6, TR 1, NC 5- VS 50%, TR 8%, NC 42%!!!

Of course, I am now playing TR

Map

2017-11-07 13:09:40 2017-11-07 13:54:42 New Conglomerate Control territory to lock Esamir

Map

2017-11-07 11:00:35 2017-11-07 11:45:36 Vanu Sovereignty Control territory to lock Amerish

Map

2017-11-07 08:24:10 2017-11-07 09:09:11 New Conglomerate Control territory to lock Indar

Map

2017-11-07 07:38:09 2017-11-07 08:23:10 Unknown Control territory to lock Indar

Map

2017-11-07 07:27:47 2017-11-07 08:12:48 New Conglomerate Control territory to lock Hossin (Dominated)

Map

2017-11-07 03:27:51 2017-11-07 04:12:52 Vanu Sovereignty Control territory to lock Esamir

Map

2017-11-07 02:57:42 2017-11-07 03:42:43 New Conglomerate Control territory to lock Amerish

Map

2017-11-07 02:15:15 2017-11-07 03:00:16 Unknown Control territory to lock Esamir

Map

2017-11-07 00:50:51 2017-11-07 01:35:52 Unknown Control territory to lock Esamir

Map

2017-11-07 00:04:50 2017-11-07 00:49:51 Unknown Control territory to lock Esamir

Map

2017-11-06 19:27:20 2017-11-06 20:12:21 Vanu Sovereignty Control territory to lock Hossin

Map

2017-11-06 15:43:38 2017-11-06 16:28:38 Vanu Sovereignty Control territory to lock Indar

Map

2017-11-06 14:50:21 2017-11-06 15:35:22 Draw (VS & TR) Control territory to lock Indar

Map

2017-11-06 08:54:03 2017-11-06 09:39:04 New Conglomerate Control territory to lock Amerish

Map

2017-11-06 06:17:25 2017-11-06 07:02:26 Vanu Sovereignty Control territory to lock Esamir

Map

2017-11-06 04:57:28 2017-11-06 05:42:29 Vanu Sovereignty Control territory to lock Hossin

Map

2017-11-06 03:01:45 2017-11-06 03:46:45 Unknown Control territory to lock Amerish

Map

2017-11-06 02:52:47 2017-11-06 03:37:48 New Conglomerate Control territory to lock Indar

Map

2017-11-06 02:15:43 2017-11-06 03:00:45 Terran Republic Control territory to lock Amerish

Map

2017-11-06 00:37:02 2017-11-06 01:22:03 Unknown Control territory to lock Indar

You can't vote down this thread either, in fact, all your posts help bump it to the top, so thank you for your contribution to the cause.

No, since this does not reinforce the NC victim identity it cannot be true. I'm just waiting for whatever excuse/conspiracy theory they'll pull out to explain this one. That said, they've been pretty good at burying their heads in the sand previously in this thread so they might not notice.

Then what's VS.
A entire line of weapons get touched across all factions, threads appear with "Just Patch VS out already"

NC gets some wins finally, for alerts.. for a few days.
Which doesn't help the literal issues with NC weaponry which haven't been touched.

When NC is consistently doing better, it is logical - as in more than a few days, isn't fixing the long standing stats.
Otherwise, it's pretty comic to jump on the bandwagon the moment NC isn't slumming hard, that NC isn't on the bottom of the charts.

It's same as VS complaining the best ranked Directive LMG is the pits, due to their weapon being touched with every other LMG in their class across all factions.
Illogical as hell.
But it reinforces an actual complex.

Ah yes, one victory streak outside of prime-time without any additional data such as population and population distribution (VS and TR possibly fighting eachother instead of NC) suddenly magically makes up for several years of constant losses. Even when the Playstation version of the game launched the NC was losing. There's no magical "NC attracts bad players" or "all the experienced players have left", there's just the arsenal that's bad.

Saying "hey, the NC pulled a winning streak once! They are OK!" is like saying "I saw snow this winter, Global Warming is a lie!".

Since the post appears to have a lot of veteran NC, let me ask somethings...
Well, I was a TR main and switched to VS on the first trimester of 2017. Initially I tried to switch to NC, but I didn't found any organization/coordination at all. Every time that i log on my NC, all I find in the platoon list is PHX and a few random squads doing even more random things. Seems to me that other platoons, if they exists, are running single squads or private platoons most of the time.

My general question is where is NC's other big platoons aside from PHX? Any notable ones that have more strategy?
I don't get the part of NC's arsenal being lackluster compared to other factions... What is the issue? (Slow firing-Hard hiting guns are my preferred play-style btw).

In my expirence there are lots of typical platoons durring primetime. Usually always a couple of squads as well. The "leadership" is exactly the same as the TR & VS as far as I can tell.

Slow-fring hard-hitting guns are your prefered playstlye, but you don't like playing the primarily slow-firing hard-hitting faction? Sounds about right.

Never said that I don't like playing the hard-hitting faction. AC-X11 was the first gun I auraxed in the game... Sabr-13 being the second. Always used the longer range variants first, like Pulsar C and Solstice Burst, Cougar was a god-send to TR. The only thing that stops me from playing NC is the lack of a non-zerg platoon on the list.
Perhaps you have some outfits to name up?

[edit]Why the warframe referance? I don't get it xD

Going off your characters' playtimes, I just find it a bit funny you'd play the NC least by such a large margin. After all, ain't gonna get those 200/500 models anywhere else!

Not really, I don't ever join outfits anymore and haven't for years now. They're mostly all the same, at best it's a squad/platoon invite from other members of the outfit, which then boils down to a single waypoint on the base like any other public squad. Same as on my TR alt too.

I was just farming credits in the Index, AFK somewhere safe waiting for the round to end so I could start another one. Then as I'm reading this thread, I suddenly hear Cephalon Sark yell out "the Tenno are losing! Biased excitement!" Gave me a bit of a chuckle when I checked the scores.

Another BLUE day for Emerald, I think I may know why: a LOT of people are on their NC alts to finish up the pumpkins, at least a lot of my friends were... PLUS OMG waiting until they had a 67% lead on Esamir to start the hives last night...

VS 2, TR 3, NC 8; VS 15%, TR 23%, NC 62%

Map

2017-11-08 10:42:23 2017-11-08 11:27:24 New Conglomerate Control territory to lock Amerish

Map

2017-11-08 06:51:10 2017-11-08 07:36:11 Terran Republic Control territory to lock Indar

Map

2017-11-08 06:37:18 2017-11-08 07:22:19 New Conglomerate Control territory to lock Esamir

Map

2017-11-08 03:39:20 2017-11-08 04:24:22 New Conglomerate Control territory to lock Hossin

Map

2017-11-08 03:05:25 2017-11-08 03:50:26 Terran Republic Control territory to lock Amerish

Map

2017-11-08 01:09:25 2017-11-08 01:54:26 New Conglomerate Control territory to lock Esamir

Map

2017-11-07 23:22:18 2017-11-08 00:07:19 New Conglomerate Control territory to lock Indar

Map

2017-11-07 21:50:56 2017-11-07 22:35:57 Unknown Control territory to lock Indar

Map

2017-11-07 17:20:53 2017-11-07 18:05:54 Terran Republic Control territory to lock Hossin

Map

2017-11-07 16:11:43 2017-11-07 16:56:44 Unknown Control territory to lock Hossin

Map

2017-11-07 13:09:40 2017-11-07 13:54:42 New Conglomerate Control territory to lock Esamir

Map

2017-11-07 11:00:35 2017-11-07 11:45:36 Vanu Sovereignty Control territory to lock Amerish

Map

2017-11-07 08:24:10 2017-11-07 09:09:11 New Conglomerate Control territory to lock Indar

Map

2017-11-07 07:38:09 2017-11-07 08:23:10 Unknown Control territory to lock Indar

Map

2017-11-07 07:27:47 2017-11-07 08:12:48 New Conglomerate Control territory to lock Hossin (Dominated)

Map

2017-11-07 03:27:51 2017-11-07 04:12:52 Vanu Sovereignty Control territory to lock Esamir

Map

2017-11-07 02:57:42 2017-11-07 03:42:43 New Conglomerate Control territory to lock Amerish

Map

2017-11-07 02:15:15 2017-11-07 03:00:16 Unknown Control territory to lock Esamir

Map

2017-11-07 00:50:51 2017-11-07 01:35:52 Unknown Control territory to lock Esamir

Map

2017-11-07 00:04:50 2017-11-07 00:49:51 Unknown Control territory to lock Esamir

Two wrongs does not make a right. I agree though, the over the top VS whining is insufferable as well. The thing is, just like NC have some issues with their stuff so does VS. For instance just because the ZOE was OP once upon a time doesn't mean it should stay useless. Just because the Magrider once could do some seriously crazy stuff does not mean it can do flips and kicks all over Auraxis.

I guess I am mostly tired of the total lack of self-awareness and hypocrisy in these threads.

Like this post for instance. Complete and total refusal to take in new data yet when something validates his image of NC it is suddenly super relevant. Purp have been making posts showing us that the only server where NC are doing poorly these days is on Emerald. I made some posts from PS2alerts showing that the last 50 alerts on the different servers did not reflect the "...of all time stats." We know NC have bled population on Emerald and we *know* the CAI makes overpop a much much worse problem than before(given how alerts now work).

You can either be curious as to why things are going in certain ways or you can continue identify with your victim status. I mean, this thread only seem concerned with one server(Emerald) and why things are going so bad there. Miller seem to be this awkward thing you rather not talk about, or the other servers which have shown themselves to be fairly even.

To use your own analogy, just because one server is a certain way doesn't mean they all are.