why do people criticize the VS community?

Hi all,
I have been away from ps2 for a few weeks (still on forum side though), and have been hearing a lot of hate directed towards the VS. I'm VS, so I'm wondering what caused this. The main complaints seem to be that VS spam OP toys (PPA) and refuse to use a weapon that isn't OP, that VS are massively OP and complain that they are UP to stop from getting nerfed, and that all VS does is complain about other factions being OP. I play on Connery, and to be honest havent seen much in the way of the PPA spam people have been complaining about. In each 48+ fight there might me a Magrider or two with the ppa but that's about it. It might be different on emerald though I haven't played there. In response to the second point, I think all factions are pretty well balanced right now. NC has 200 damage automatics and guns with high fire rates, but they get screwed on their max. The TR has very good cqc guns but are not very good at long range, while the VS is ok at all ranges but has lower DPs and mag sizes. In response to the third point, yes, the vs does complain about other factions. But other factions also complain about the vs. So I'm still confused about why a everyone hates the VS. Anyone care to explain?
Thanks in advance,
Arcturus314

In new Corridorside 2, low spread & hipfire ability is more important than damage per bullet.

Because they are afraid of the truth; which is VS is the future!

Seriously though PPA is the main complaint along with Scythe or Magrider Saron (the last one being purely psychological from the sound as the Hailbird is objectively better in 95% of the cases). Another big factor is most of VS ES toys require coordination to work (Lancer, Lasher, Magrider etc.) properly and that makes them appear OP when in reality it's purely down to coordination (Engies with AV turrets work as well as a lancer squad etc.). That's not helped by the fact that VS has several duds (ZoE, ES pistols, Magrider MBT ability etc.) which limits the type of gun you're likely to be killed by making it appear you're "always" killed by the same smaller set of guns were as going up against TR you might face 5 LMGs with VS you'll face 2.

Add the above with multiple VS outfits are used to fight outnumbered (and hold their ground) with the server merges and getting on an even foot in population and suddenly VS is OP (while others are still mentally scarred by original launch Magrider with Saron or ZoE).

I will tell you this: I see more threads posted by VS asking why everyone hates them than hate threads by others (whoever they may be) against the VS.

My explanation is thus:
All VS are paranoid which manifests itself in two ways: thinking that the world hate them and wearing pink pants.
VS, you don't need to be this way.

It has been an established fact both in forumside and in-game that:
NC, like Amuricah likes to complain..... A LOT.
TR, for the most part likes to cry wolf, well in fact that most of the time they fail is due to their lack of organization.

And clearly the VS are in some way different... I see.

Look, all three factions have their share of complaining, whinging, disorganised, wolf crying idiots. I could find examples all over the forums of crying VS. No one faction does it any more than the other.

More to the point, the VS are no more disliked than the other two.

Here comes the important bit...

All three factions are the same in terms of behaviour, levels of complaining, hatred, good times, bad times, skill and ability. There is no archetypal VS, TR or NC player. You cannot ascribe specific qualities and values to each, as there are thousands of people playing each faction, a significant number of whom play all three.

The only thing which causes VS to get a lot of stick right now, is PPA spam. Now, personally, I do not think it is much of an issue from magriders. I am more concerned about the PPA the Scythe can get... Having twelve of those pounding a base is highly irritating, as they can fire into all the places tanks cannot.

No matter how annoying the PPA spam is in gameplay terms, why would that make any sane human "hate" the VS players? I mean, particularly when I'm sure all three factions have something really annoying in their arsenal... That's just freakin' ridiculous, right? ... Right?

Because Connery VS are basically zerglings.

Seriously, the swarm is getting a bit old here.

Heck, when we fight the TR, we call eachother vanu as an insult.

The constant paranoid tin foil hat perceived victimization and " Everyone hates us " martyrdom threads ..

And spandex

I sometimes find VS players to be Obnoxious or trolly, course it could just be me. However I don't really care, its just frustrating to fight a faction a week straight given that they dominate in population. That doesn't really have to do with faction but more so with server populations and fourth faction players.

Different people have different reasons.

Some servers have some pretty ...uh... dislikable VS players/outfits
VS has some annoying things to deal with like any faction, PPA spam is the big one, the Orion is overpowered in ant vs. ant, etc.
Perception of VS as sort of the "easy" faction has persisted, and they do have easy handling starter weapons
The religious-like worship of a dead alien race is not exactly appealing
VS's... fashion sense can be offputting for many people and they're perceived as kind of the flamboyant faction

I don't think VS is the strongest faction or anything but it's understandable why it doesn't appeal to everyone and certain assumptions are made about the players.

Except that the NC and TR are generally more irrational for the most part and are even vocal about it. I play all 3 factions and sometimes join pub squads and I can attest the fact that there are more crybabies on TR and NC than in VS. (At least of Emerald)

You should try them yourself. It's really easy to conclude something being OP if you are on the receiving end without knowing how the weapon actually works.

I think that annoyance for a particular weapon has nothing to do with a particular faction being hated, but rather who's driving a specific faction/community to "hate" another faction.

We want your spandex

Why are vanu producing so many "why they be hatin, QQ" threads?
You guys are paranoid.


Nobody is HATING on anyone (btw, hatred is an extremely strong term and should be used with caution - 99% of people who use it, don't really mean it).

People just don't like fighting VS (me included).

Well, I dont hate VS. I dont hate anyone for playing a faction in a game.........

What i would say however is that the Vanu only have a few good guns (IMHO) and those guns are REALLLLY good. This leads VS players to only use a select few guns. This in turn seems to make people think that "the VS only use OP weapons".

So with that in mind i guess its a toss up, dislike the Vanu for using the good guns in their arsenal OR feel a little sorry for the VS because they have such a limited selection.

That being said, i really wish the VS would stop crying about the Maggy. I ONLY play my VS alt to get my hands on the Maggy, i'm sorry guys but it is 100% THE most powerful MBT in PS2 by quite some margin. The agility you get from the Maggy is just down right insane. Now im not saying the maggy is OP, im just saying its an absolute BEAST.

Now in terms of VS on my server, people get frustrated with them becuse they never EVER send equal numbers to have a "good fight" they always send double or even tripple the numbers and just zerg you. If you ask me, thats a vaild tactic if you ask other thats a cheesey "no skill" tactic.

I guess you just gotta make your own mind up

Oh and also......... Bloody Spadex! ;-)

tbh, my only complaint with VS is that their pubbies don't play the objective, but then I remember that I'm describing every faction's pubbies.
Still, that's my only complaint. There are so many times when people will sit in vehicles and avoid moving into a base to capture the point or attempt to apply pressure on it from a single direction that isn't HEAD-ON!!! which is super predictable even for the most unaware player.
Or they will contentedly sit in the spawn room even though the number of enemies pressuring and capturing a base can be overwhelmed by their population.
ie: Attackers are mostly in vehicles, the number of people on the actual capture point can be overwhelmed by defenders even though the map indicates that the defenders are "outnumbered."

On the forums VS are the most likely to start multiple threads buff begging for the best performing items in the game and denying that top performing items are any good at all.

I think to be fair NC has to win this contest. I laugh every time NC complain about their high recoil guns or the limited range on their MAX.

everyone wants to feel like he is the highest skilled player and everytime he wins it is due to him being MLG and everytime he loses it is because the enemy has such powerful weapons that no amount of skill on his side could have done anything to change the outcome.
now there are 3 reasons why VS receive a bit more hate:
there are less VS than TR/NC. you don't cry that something is OP you use yourself. after all it only performs so good because you are skilled
Emerald is the only place in the world where VS have overpop (atleast they say it has). as a big part of the forumside whine crew is from emerald there are alot of complaints that the faction with 27% (last time i looked) world pop is doing nothing but zerging and VS is easymode and everything VS should be nerfed because they have so much pop
PPA. everything else in the game got nerfed to a point, where a Magrider without AV weapon survives longer than 10 seconds. the PPA is also the reason VS don't understand the hate. it got nerfed. hard. really reallx hard. and then it was OP...

If I were to take you as an example, I would be able to make a definite statement that VS tend to have a superior, condescending and patronising attitude, and that the VS believe they have the right to make sweeping judgements of two thirds of the community. But that would obviously be a false claim, taken from limited experience and with a definite personal bias behind it.

I also play all three factions and find there to be no difference between the people who play. Infact frequently I run into the same people just wearing a different coloured shirt. There is no change in "rationality" or quality of people between the three factions. Any assertation to the otherwise is statistically highly unlikely, and probably formed based on some absurd confirmation bias.

In short, you're wrong, and your position is ridiculous.

Also, emerald =/= the whole community. Infact Emerald represent a minority of the community, in exactly the same way that your opinion represents nothing but your opinion.

I have. I did not say it is OP. I said it is annoying. At the risk of falling into being one of those people who uses internet ******** "lern2read".

Please forgive me if I'm wrong, but are you implying the existance of some shadowy VS-hating overlord who is guiding the opinions of the sheep-like community into unanimous hatred of people because they wear purple shirts in a videogame?

If this is the case, then I have the following message:

"HAHAHAHAAAAAAHAHAAAHAHAAAHAAHAAA"

If you shut your faces and played the game, nobody would have a reason to complain. In fact, the last two threads about VS have been created by VS players.