Why are there so many NC UP threads?

Been out for 3 months did they do anything or change anything at all?

Also ...... when will the infiltrator update come?

Everything is put off until they optimize the game, presumably for the PS4 release The NC UP threads are mostly people who aren't experienced or those who are angered by something imo, no actual underpoweredness is happening.

NC definitely has harder to use weapons for the performance level, so it results in a less powerful zerg.

For the smaller units, it all comes out much closer, but yeah in the overall there is definitely a problem.

Performance update planed for october 24th.

Reason for such hype of NC up is our World Domination score being so low.

Except that this week the NC have the North Warp Gate and are still losing the WDS.......... which pretty much goes to show there is something messing up NC across all servers.




There's two explanations:

1. Inexplicably NC just attracts rubbish players (for a reason that absolutely no one can think of ).

2. Theres game balance issues spanning servers causing NC to struggle (even with the North Warp Gate).

I can't speak for the NC globally, but I definitely have watched NC consistently screw up which objectives they pursue on Connery. Tonight was a rare night when leadership actually directed players to the right bases at the right time during the Tech Plant alert. It was great to see, and helped out a ton even though we still ended up losing due to 4th Empire population issues.

There are balance issues. But I consider the two big ones to be ZOE (VS) and Vulcan (TR), so it's that those two things are overpowered rather than NC being underpowered. Though I also list a few minor NC things that need fixing.

Granted, more and more I feel NC's MAX weaponry is a significant factor. The other empires' MAXes are more flexible, which ends up being a pretty big strength in indoor fights. They can safely field a bunch of AI MAXes without leaving themselves vulnerable to enemy MAXes, while NC can't. Further, NC's AV MAXes aren't as good as the other empires, both in terms of killing other MAXes and flexibly killing infantry (you can take a Comet or Fracture against infantry and do quite well, but Ravens are a step behind that and less flexible.) Taken in whole, it's a noticeable disadvantage compared to playing my other characters, even though generally I do extremely well with Mattocks when I'm only killing infantry.

you are the first TR player i've ever seen acknowledge a gap between NC and the other factions! kudos!

tbh i don't know why people even try to deny the problem, high RoF will always trump slow weapons.
the skill levels required for high RoF is significantly lower than low RoF weapons,
missing a shot costs you a great deal more DPS.
someone summed it up nicely the other day when they were talking about the Vulcan and how it was so easy to use on a fast moving vehicle, they said that if you are having trouble shooting at infantry just hold the trigger and wave the crosshair over them.

well misses is more of a "time off target" thing, faster shooting weapons will miss more shots if your sights come off for a second than slower ones, so I don't see that as a big issue.

Nanoweave increasing shots to kill by 2 regardless of if you are using a slow haymaker or quick ***** gun is something though. all weapons, regardless of type, increasing in shots to kill by the same 1 bullet at the same 10-15m makes a difference as well.

NC getting tomato sized red dots makes a difference.

c85 blows, period. give NC a Ground Hammer off of the reavers, and you have something that can be called adequate.

I would get into infantry weapon stats but it gets complicated because some weapon classes don't suffer from x faction disadvantage or benefit from y faction advantage, and it's 6 right now so im not gonna get into all that.

NC is simply worst newbie faction weapons wise and is the chain nerfed faction once people stop being newbies.

So new players play NC then quit because of weapons being so newbie unfriendly. Those that don't eventually realize NC are not worth playing at higher levels because of the constant stream of nerfs thrown at the faction for a good 7-8 GU ether in direct nerfs are in relative nerfs as other faction gained more power then NC did every GU.

The BS that happened to NC max's in particular alienated a huge segment of NC players.

Ah, people claiming that people in another part of the internet are more stupid/worse/inferior/incapable than their own particular part of the internet. This is internet herd-naivety all over again.

To explain human behaviour, there is one simple fact:



That counts for the NC. Counts for the VS. Counts for the TR.

The NC are ******** that the TR have effective weapons? Good. I am not one to deny a side effectiveness, nor one to expect that such whining won't happen, because the simple fact is that some people are not at all competitive within a level playing field and by cognative bias, they will misinterpret such a level playing field as imbalance. It is the Dunning-Kruger effect in action.

Thus balance won't be achieved when one side particularly whines - that is actually an indication of imbalance because the other side is not whining (anyone who things there are no stupids in TR simply is not paying attention)

Nor will it be achieved when nobody whines - such a thing is inherently impossible to achieve because of the aforementioned bias less skilled players have.

But it will be achieved when everybody whine. TR have a weapon that the others are whining about? Fine. Just as long that there are weapons along the same type that the TR will whine about too.

When the whine flows from all directions, then we know that the balance is right.

Sen7ry is the official anti-NC fan boy. He's on every thread lately.

I got rid of my main NC character and switched to VS. My kd ratio almost doubled.

Hmm.... well that's a lot of words to just say "L2P". (it might be a record)




So the TR is populated by people that like orchestral movie soundtrack type music and VS electronic/techno/dance music..... and both groups are inexplicably populated with gaming elite players?

Not to mention it wasn't like that in PS1.

So going by your logic what music do you have to listen to, to be daft enough to believe what you wrote?



In similar news the moon is made of cheese (it isn't), Einstein failed maths at school (he didn't), railguns have no recoil (they do), people swallow eat spiders a year in their sleep (they don't), you are never more than 6 feet from a rat (you are), the moon landing were faked (they weren't) and Bigfoot stole your sandwich back in the summer of 1972.

Ignoring observer bias (where you are seeing things that aren't really there - or at least no more or less there than any other faction).

Personally I think its a few small issues and a couple of bigger ones, added to overpopulation and then basically people being trained by the result of all of that.


For example (ignoring that NC weapons tend to have slighly lower DPS) due to the higher damage per bullet NC weapons tend to overkill in a very stepped manner (see Aegie's great posts on this).

Now in an individual player this would be very difficult to seperate from the background play, maybe impossible.
However when you're talking about 1000's of individual players this disadvantage can add up to a significant disadvantage per fight and per server.

Now I'm not saying that in and of itself accounts for this, but it is an example of very small and hard to detect disadavantages that can add up across a faction.

Your reasoning is sound but flawed. Don't ignore the fact that I've played through multiple wipes in Beta as strictly NC. I've also purchased most NC weapons with SC and haven't purchased a single VS weapon. The NC weapons really are that bad. Start off with a base Gauss Saw and see if you hit anything. Now switch to the Carv or Orion and see how easily you blow away the competition. Its night and day.

You can ignore all the threads but you can't ignore the statistics which are consistently posted and proven on these forums. Keep thinking that its your "skill" with TR weapons and its not the Striker, Fracture, Vulcan, or Marauder that's overpowered...like the statistics show. Whining is a two way street. You can whine for or whine against but, in the end, your post is still a whine.

Would like to jump in here and say while I disagree with Sen7ry's suggestion as to NC player psychology, I agree with his reasoning as to why NC is suffering.

I do not think it's because of the kind of players that the NC attracts, because I think bell curve distribution will even out the number of idiots across all factions. In fact, with the 4th Faction favouring the TR at the moment, I'd argue that TR is more likely to have poor/inconsiderate/uncooperative zerglings. I think the marketing fluff has less of an impact than crunch and gameplay considerations, personally. I think a person of a certain disposition is just as likely to be found in any faction because in an MMO PVP game, lore is only useful for roleplayed insults.

With this in mind, there is a problem with the NC on Briggs, where Sen7ry made his observations. A lot of this is out-of-date, because groups like RSNC are attempting to organise Briggs NC. They relied on tactics that don't work with the current meta (MAX lockdown's effectiveness being hammered, for one), they relied on tactics that needed numbers (which they no longer have) and they generally lack inter-outfit coordination. Their gear is fine, it is balanced. They just haven't got the ability to learn lessons across a faction, and became over-reliant on the 4th Faction. The time as the underpopped faction will strengthen them as a faction; same thing happened to Briggs TR in our 7 months of underpopulation. I suspect things are similar on other servers, because there have been no sweeping balance changes since July-ish and Briggs pop only flipped in TR's favour in September, when all the drama started for us. It wasn't a matter of TR being OP, it was a matter of the 4th Faction moving to Briggs TR in a major way (feeding our resident zerg herders) combined with a solid core of outfits who work well together. The synergy of outfits that punch above their weight (unless kept in check) and sheer numbers meant Briggs TR snowballed out of control. For the 4th Faction, the certs must flow, which meant that more players poured in. Combined with TROL's spectacular implosion and RSNC finding its feet, TR was completely unopposed.

So what I'm saying is feel free to disagree with his analysis of NC player disposition...but in the case of why Briggs NC is struggling, he's pretty right. There's nothing wrong with their gear...I love it. I could never betray the TR, but MAN I love most (not all) NC weaponry. Their problem, on Briggs at least, is a lack of experience and the power of Briggs 4th Faction. Next month, it'll be "VS OP" then "NC OP" as the 4th Faction migrates. Such is life. There is nothing brokenly OP about the TR arsenal...just, as Sen7ry observed, a bunch of players finding it easier to go to war on the forums rather than adapting. They need to do the hard yards, take their lumps and grow as a faction. TR will become lazy and bloated, and it will be our weaker members (who don't remember the underpop times) complaining here. And I for one will be telling them to shut up, because no matter who is whining, it's annoying as hell.

Because NC stands for Nonstop Complaining.

NC has a High skill cap and floor weapons that when you "master" it you perfom the same, or worse since it has lower DPS, then the TR and VS variants.

You have a hard time learning to use harder weapons and you aren't rewarded for that.

Yeah... like when they nerfed margrider... for 1 whole week. but we are in the "nerfed" state since launch.

Good thing the mods locked my thread about controlling the amount of NC whine threads. It took less than five minutes after they locked it that another one was posted.

Ah but your'e Vanu

The NC has gotten the short end of the stick on every faction specific weapon.

1. close quarter max got nerfed to the ground while VS got the ZOE and the TR max was untouched
2. NC got the phoenix and it got nerfed quick with its low range its useless, most of the time you will die to prowler heat or a sniper while the TR got the striker a simple point and click and atleast the lancer is fast firing in long distances
3. The TR also win on the harasser with the vulcan, enough said here
4. The TR won the lottery again with the MAX AV weapons. The ravens are not terrible but you have to quide them to their target , which is usually a fast moving tank. I havent tried the VS max new av weapon but the comet is already nice.

Bottom line is either NC needs a few buffs or the next set of faction specific weapons need to role our way with no nerf hammer shortly after.

Classy. Perhaps you didn't get the memo, but such statements only reflect poorly on you. You seem to be one of the few holdouts who didn't know, but now you do! You're welcome.

I know, it's quite popular these days to be anti-American... unless of course you need something.
I do pity your mentality though. I'm thankful to have had grandparents with first-hand experience of American GI's literally liberating their village, clearing roofs of snipers killing civilians only trying to get groceries. I was always told how polite these GI's were with my grandparents who lived across the street from where the US military set up temporary camp. It's really sad the current European generations have been robbed of these memories and are now subject to such cynicism and collective ignorance. I really do feel sorry for you .

The music isn't what it used to be, unfortunately. During beta, around Sept. 2012, the music was more reminiscent of the Firefly theme music. You should know what Firefly is, or at the very least Serenity.

Much of the reason we see posts regarding NC as underpowered stems from very large population imbalances that while acknowledged by SOE, have yet to be successfully addressed by SOE. I have no doubt the people tasked with solving the issue have every desire and intention to solve it.
I've seen people say this is because of WDS, but they are either new, or have short-term memory problems. The issue was and has continued to be brought up since long before WDS. WDS has only served to provide further evidence of a problem many of us recognized a very long time ago.
One could argue the population imbalance is a direct result of weapon balance issues, but I believe the problem is more complex than that at this point. Many threads about the various theories.

In this video:

at 25 minutes in, they talk about the sniper update a little bit. There isn't much there but essentially they start working on it after the optimization updates which as someone else mentioned is slated for the end of October. They talk about empire specific rifles being added, etc.