(VS) LMGs with Unstable Ammunition, are better than T7 Mini-Chaingun

Discussion in 'PlanetSide 2 Gameplay Discussion' started by karlooo, Apr 2, 2024.

  1. karlooo

    Again I have been playing VS and noticed this very well, because my most used weapon for TR was the Chaingun.... Of course, you also need Short Barrel, Laser sight attachments but this proves massive bias towards VS once more, with these last updates. Just all eyes on VS, how to make them gain silent advantages, with lack of interest towards other factions...

    Unstable ammo LMGs, are much more reliable and are much easier to operate than the Mini-Chaingun, with also more flexible uses.... They do not deal as much DPS on paper (750 RPM), but their ease of use makes the DPS more consistent, whereas for Mini-Chaingun, to maintain consistency you must have Laser Sight Attachment otherwise many bullets miss, and it is hard to constantly hit all bullets on moving targets with such a small reticle. You can lower FOV, you can lower mouse sensitivity for this gun only, but it is still hard, it is just impossible to be perfect or consistent.
    So, it's sickening once more, the VS gets an option to turn their favorite weapon into a more reliable and more flexible, T7 Chaingun, which is a faction specific gun lol. What does TR get? Bullets which deal more damage on leg shots, which I have only seen being used on one gun, a repeater pistol.
    ... This can go on and on. I am starting to notice some other nasty details.
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  2. T.A.94

    Yeah lets just forget that the T7 received a 2x headshotmultiplyer on a 143 dmg 845 rpm platform and can also equipp a laser sight or B.R.R.T. (Balistic Rapid Refire Toggle).

    And the VS lmgs with unstable ammo are:
    SVA 143 dmg / 689 rpm
    Maw 167 dmg / 600 rpm
    Ursa 167 dmg / 550 rpm
    And they all loose headshot dmg while equipping this ammo, also Ursa has no access to the short barrel.
    The only pattern I am noticing is the traditional TR forum trait also known as victim complex.
  3. Effect


    While the chaingun is absolutely powerful right now (and very arguably stronger than unstable LMGs), unstable is absolutely broken right now as well. It's more of an issue on carbines, but on any weapon that has it has a massive buff to players (it's literally about 10% additional ACC on average which is a lot) in a world with no nanoweave.
  4. karlooo

    I will try explaining the T7 minigun in a bit more detail as to what problems it has, to a point where its design has questionable purpose, and you cannot figure out its use.

    So, I was using Maw, and I see it has the best hipfire. SVA-88 has same DPS.
    You down a target with 6 body shots. (7 with SVA). So, you kill a target at roughly 0.6 seconds.
    With Chaingun which is 750 RPM, with body shots you will down a target at pretty much the same pace, of approx. 0.6 seconds.
    It takes 1 second to spin up Chaingun.
    Only at full RPM of 845 you gain a 0.1 second advantage, which still isn't anything.
    I have a lot of experience with the T7 Mini-Chaingun and know for sure that laser sight is its best attachment. If you lowered spin up time to 0.5 seconds you will still down the target before it spins up if you hit all bullets. If you engage at ranges where bullets miss, then the laser sight is better, it's overall better.

    If you are to aim the minigun then might as well use any other LMG, or SMG, because it's not worth it, it's not accurate to begin with.... The strength of Chaingun is sustained firepower (while moving/pushing), not accuracy, it is not built for headshots, but this strength is the issue of the Chaingun. Where and how are you supposed to use it? Inaccurate sustained firepower with bullet projectiles?
    ((Going for headshots with this gun causes issues in the long run. You have trouble hitting targets consistently with all bullets, therefore lose a lot of damage potential, it is best to learn aiming for center of mass at all times. Going for the small head portion is unreliable and random at close range, will screw you over most of the time. Best to be on safe side and aim for center))
    Minigun is a weapon design, which you cannot figure out how to use. Believe me, I have been trying every possible loadout to make it work. My ultimate minigun loadout was Carapace/Overcharge, with Restoration Kit for pocket healing and not even this goes, because it is a design which has no use....

    You bring in Lasher as a unique support weapon that can provide fire support for your team.
    Jackhammer is obvious, you bring it for breaching purposes inside buildings. But I've heard of it getting overnerfed.

    And the Minigun's... pretty much a mix between those 2, where it's neither good at fire support, nor breaching, but can do both lol. Not like any weapon in the game can do this. It is missing any strategical purpose.

    Also, Unstable ammo is substantially better at the sustained fire support role because of its ability to consistently hit targets (and visibly blind them). Not even talking about its minigun like hipfire capabilities. In fact, even the Implant "Overcharge" revolves around unstable ammo with minimal downsides, to boost its fire support capabilities even more. I have not seen any other weapon that works better with Overcharge. (Firestorm has 0 use on minigun, it's better off using any other Implant from lots of testing).
    I also heard that a few VS weapons, Assault Rifles, having an ammunition type called "Lashing Ammo", which causes enemy to flinch substantially on those impacts compared to regular bullets.... So, another brutal BIAS towards VS.
    Lashing Ammunition | PlanetSide 2 Wiki | Fandom
    Minigun is neither good at breaching because sure you can push forward with sustained bullet firepower, but you are not a Rambo... You have no advantages over a regular firearm, that would support your breaching capabilities.
    [Nanowave armor change was a mega nerf to T7 Minigun, because you used the advantage of mobility to make it hard to hit your head. Now it's pretty much you lost 20% resistance]

    You guys make it hard to reply lol. It feels like I got hit in the head with a pickaxe, basically I could have described it any better with the simple thread.
  5. karlooo

    I could not have described it any better*
    With the intro.... Ok, if you make any more stupid comments I am not replying because that first one was close to troll level. I am pretty sure they were trolling on purpose. I did not fully explain my point of view. I left out some points. Just fill it in for yourself and don't ask.
  6. Somentine

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