If you're bad at piloting like me, you can still pull off cool streaks by playing slightly smarter than an average zergling.
Totally agree with the positioning / flanking strategy but i'd have to suggest that if you're a 1/2 MBT, only the Prowler can do the sort of damage you did in that clip ! And I noticed a Walker on top ? For anyone who only plays VS or NC, they might now understand why they die so quickly to the Prowler. Lockdown reload speed is amazing (check around 2 mins in - there are 2 shots without lockdown followed by several with). BUT before everyone gets all 'Prowler OP', it's still a reasonably squishy tank and an out-flanked Prowler is suitably easy to kill. Even easier with air - well - unless they have a Walker
Put 2 and 2 together, man I only run solo Prowler, and I hop into the Walker if I need some AA self defense. That's certainly true. I guess with a magrider it would be easier to give chase if need be, while remaining relatively safe due to maneuvering on high ground. Vanguard works great with flanking attacks, but yeah, needs a second gunner for that damage output.
I'd sit in that walker. Airs never expect it. I run a walker on a dude's prowler when we have a few guys together to do armor, and it's pretty amusing.
Good vid. Enemy rather clueless but you dealt them a grievous blow nonetheless. Now let's see you achieve the same results, in a similar timeframe with a 1/2 Magrider. I shall then be more impressed.
ur lucky u didnt run into a vanguard, and no c4 fairies. i dont think prowlers are good for those type of game play, thats a magrider's style
Flanking is universal and works for everything, tanks, planes and infantry alike. They only differ in how much they can capitalize on a succesful flank and how strong they depend on flanking to get good engagements. From that position I could probably just run away from a vanguard, but as far as C4 LAs go - yeah, that was lucky. LA can happen anywhere, though in that specific position LAs didn't have much reason to be, at least not until I came there. If you look at the map, you'll see that enemy LAs had nothing to do on the north side of the road, they had to stick to the south side to assault the base. North side wouldn't really lead them anywhere, they would still have TR forces between them and the base. Of course, that's not a guarantee at all, but it does reduce chance of being C4'd, just like driving under a bridge with an enemy sunderer on top of that bridge increases chances of being C4'd. After I took out a couple of enemy Sunderers - now that's when there was a real risk, because I remained in one place for a long time, and I honestly expected to get C4d in the middle of the streak. However, even if that would have happenned, it would have still been a successful flank, and that Prowler would've well paid for itself. That's why I encourage every tanker to flank more, especially new or bad ones, that struggle with taking enemy tanks head on. Because by the time the enemy reacts to the flank, more often than not it will be too late.
Every Tank is easy to kill when out-flanked. Every Tank is easy to kill with air. Here are the facts: The PROwler is the least situational Tank - it is used the most. It is the best Tank in every situation in average - it has the best per-hour stats of all tanks. All together it means that its weapons do 1.5 to 4 times the kills the VS/NC counterparts do. If that's not the definition of OPness, what else is? .
I've put a lot of time and certs into all three MBTs and they are very different but overall, I reckon that DBG have got a reasonable balance. The Magrider is hands-down the worst uncerted and probably the worst 1/2, the main gun is weak and has the worst drop. The Prowler is decent from the off - and the Vanguard only needs one level into Shield to make it a handful. BUT - (with a lot of certs and well driven) - the Magrider is a beast. It will almost certainly be 2/2, the secondary gun will likely be a Saron giving it very high close range DPS and good range for plinking, it can get to places where no other tank can, it doesn't get 'stuck' when another vehicle comes up behind it and it's the easiest to get into cover should it need to. When i'm in my Magrider, I fear a Prowler in the open the least - it will likely be 1/2, the driver will probably believe the hype that it's a brute of a tank and will just stand and fight - it will lose. Lockdown Prowler at a distance is another matter - especially with a Gatekeeper (but if you check my other posts, you will see that i'm a strong supporter of a GK nerf). Vanguard shield makes it a real challenge to anything else but thanks to handling like a giant tortoise, you can outmaneuver it easily so you just need to be sneaky and you'll stand a good chance of winning. A 2/2 Stealth Vanguard is the thing I fear the most when in the other two. More often than not, it will be the circumstances of the engagement that will determine the outcome rather than the MBT used. It is true that when I'm in my Magrider, I will **** myself close to a spawn point until I get a gunner - and I don't feel the necessity to do that in the others. Also true that uncerted, it's rubbish - AND it has a high experience ceiling. But overall ? Well - any buffs would need to be slight; I remember the old days when on paper, it shouldn't have been so dominant. It still had the slowest shell speed - was still the slowest overall - still had the fixed gun - but it utterly dominated every MBT engagement...
That's right, when one MBT comes from behind and has the first shot, it will most likely win. You can outskill an OP MBT with a bad MBT. However in symmetric situations, like in a frontal 1on1 or in a Zerg vs. Zerg, the Prowlers will always win, Magriders always lose. The Vanguard is somewhere in between. Also, the Prowler is the best Tank against non-MBT-vehicles. Due to the high DPS (doesn't matter if anchored or not), they can't run away and due to Anchor-Mode and Gatekeeper you're safe nowhere. The Prowler's AP is the most common cause of death of Lightnings for example.
Actually I think the biggest issue the Magrider has is not with other MBTs, but thanks to its design, it is especially vulnerable to certain attacks (nigh on impossible to defend against some): - Vulcan Harassers - Aggressively driven AP Lightnings - Any air Because it can be pushed around and the fixed turret / poor elevation / slow shell speed, all convene to make it easy prey to those in the know
OP I totally agree that positioning > aim when it comes to tank fight; I also flank a lot and attack at least 50% of tanks from behind. The overall idea is right but your example isn't very impressive; both number and types of killed vehicles is average and usuall stuff at all, especially for P2-120AP. It's not mag it's you man. Magi just requres more love and creativity. It's most survivable tank ever vs ground vehicles andt yes, in some situations you have no chance vs air - but other two MBTs have same chances too. I'd say Prowler is the easiest target for Hornets: both no shiled and no real maneurability.
>Oracle stats Okay okay tell me than If the same preson has such stats as: 30 vkph on P2-120AP and 8/6 kdr/vkdr. 24 vkph on FPC and 19/14 krd/vkdr. What's OP here?
I beg to differ on the survivability ! I won't detail the tactics for easy kills just in case somebody reading this isn't aware of it But agreed on air - the Prowler is poor unless it has a Walker (see above) - at least the Prowler is still good AV with just its main guns. Vanguard is marginally better than either thanks to fast shell speed and better elevation but far from 'good'. I do think the Prowler is a C4 magnet though, that lovely square flat deck makes C4 fairies moist with anticipation.
Lel really? So you think nobody knows that you can kill a stupid Magi with stealth L100 AP just by attacking it from behind at point blank and chasing/driving under it? Oh please. While I actually did kill enough MBTs of all 3 factions this way - including a few Vanguards who didnt se me sittiong in a hole and parked just on my Lightning's top (my long cannon barrel was inside them) - I can assure you that you have zero chance to wreck a really good 2/2 MBT with that alone. Same goes for Harassers with Vulcans, Aphelions and this new NC crap. You can kill such MBT fighting with other threat of finish it burning etc. - but only with some help. Again, I'm talking about top pilots.
lockdown prowlers are even easier, just pop in and out of cover. with mag prowler are only a problem when ur close to them and cant escape
