Time to tone down nc wep dmg now?

Just...

...and move along.

Performance wise based on one narrow measure (KPU - kills per unique character) that is not really a good indicator of performance. It skews heavily towards weapons that are popular, and does not show actual performance like kills per hour, or kill/death ratios do.

Meanwhile NC conveniently gloss over the areas on the KPU sheet where they do well like Max weapons, one of the biggest imbalances in the game.

U are pretty biasad, ofc tr and vs sometimes have higher pop then nc but most of the time (80%) since the patch nc outnumber vs by far, how can u not have noticed? Check logign screen next time u log and u see nc sits at a 38% pop vs around 28%...

Playing alert on miller as we speak we got all 5 tech planets and 58% pop on amerish (vs 18%), easy win, its kinda boring , cause its bad for the community and competition that one faction grow so strong due to beeing the best inf. faction. This is how it gone look on all servers soon if they dotn stop the nc wep madness.

Esamir 40% and vs 26%, indar is 33% all factions.


And check all eu servers atm and u see nc heavy overpop ceres 36% miller 39%, connery 40%matthersson 40% coincidence hu? Its just Cobalt who got some sick amount of vs players online atm for some strange reason i dont know.

Post PU2 that is true, all we have seen so far is KPU. I know very well the bias associated with KPU and (oh by the way) there are ways to control for it if you are at all interested.

All the other performance metrics will also show you plenty of areas where the NC have been dead last for over a year so yeah, not likely to get a lot of sympathy unless you can actually come up with evidence of an imbalance similar in scale.

Show me those MAX weapon KPUs and how big the discrepancy is- I agree that that NC MAX does very well but it does this in a very niche range, unlike other MAXs. Justified? Perhaps, perhaps not. My inclination is that NC MAXs have this advantage in large part due to a great many NC only pulling/using MAXs in the specific circumstances where they are heavily favored. Even still, be careful what you wish for because if you want to call those discrepancies problematic...

Moreover, the OP mentions MAXs as a separate issue (then remarks how they can 1 shot other MAXs, lol).

I do find it quite interesting that your first remark attempts to wash away KPU as a metric and your second remark relies upon it.

Been waiting a long time for this:

On which weapons? It sure isnt the LMGs anymore. CoF is not that good any more.

NC MAX weapons only do well if they A) Have slugs and B) Anyone is about 20 meters and below. Past that, and they're ******, compared to the other MAX's who can wipe you off the face of the universe from, effectively, every distance that isn't sniper distance.

"Wipe out a tank and other Max other than NC max at every distance that isn't sniper distance"

SOE needs to nerf 4th factioners not the NC. NC weapons for the first time are on the same level as everyone else, the infantry game is more balanced than ever.

And of course since the numbers mean so much to you, you will be pleased to hear that the VS night shift is back in full swing on Cobalt now. So the 40% VS pop after 2330 is back in action. But of course, being a long term Cobalt player you know that the population of Cobalt fluctuates wildly favouring each faction for a time period during the day. Days usually belonging to TR, evenings split down the middle, nighttime to the VS.

Miller, don't know. I don't play there. I do know a lot of pilots from Cobalt VS/TR went there to fly NC. That might have an effect. Who knows. But if numbers are your worry, then Cobalt is probably the most balanced server faction wise there is. Always has been. Is a nice place with or without your presence.

The NC weapons you cite didn't get a damage buff, I believe they just got slightly more rounds per clip. On my server (Mattherson) NC still seem to be underperforming, but the patch helped a little (specifically with regard to the ZOE nerf).

Not on my server, Mattherson. VS still almost always win the alerts.

You are clearly not biased and your opinion is by no means tainted by outside influences.

So, I've creeped on this thread for a few days now, and, as someone who has been playing PS2 for a couple of weeks but played PS1 ad nauseum, this is hilarious! I played TR in PS1 90% of the time, and the NC were bonkers broken(like too good) for a long time. Back in the day, I didn't understand FPSs since really casual CS was the only experience I had. In retrospect, I would have picked NC because their "perks" were the ones that rewarded skill. Granted, it wasn't skill that made them BS in PS1, it was mostly the jackhammer with the sprint implant and their maxes special ability not being..... a death sentence.

I started PS2 with the mindset that harder hitting weapons that reward putting shots on target were the way to go, and I generally prefer the NC lore to the others. I guess I got lucky and missed the NC sucking? lol. I mostly play infiltrator, so I don't really notice the perks as much(NS44, NS7, and all snipers are basically interchangeable between factions), but as others have said, it seems like more of a 4th faction issue than actual balance. Give it time, and a couple of tweaks to spread out the masses and all will be well.

With that said, the times I've played with ES weapons, I personally didn't notice them feeling like EZ mode(I want the AC11X to be good so bad!).

Did you decide to just ignore the patch notes where a majority of NC weapons received accuracy improvements while the other factions had a lot of their ES weapons nerfed at the same time?

People claiming the NC became good players over night because they just got use to using under performing weapons is absurd. The other factions were gutted and the NC got buffed all in one update.

There never were issues with NC weapons. They have always had the highest skill ceiling of all the factions, and rewarded good players who knew how to use them properly. We will see how long this newly "balanced" game in its current state lasts.

What was PS1 NC MAX special?

Majority of NC weapons? Show me because I call BS.

Everyone had hipfire accuracy reduced and everyone had the effect of laser sights diminished- everyone.

Everyone had .75 ADS movement weapons nerfed (although, I hear that the VS SV-88 avoided this) and everyone has the same number of these.

I could be wrong, but as far as I am aware there were 0 specific infantry weapon nerfs and the only specific weapon buffs were the 7F, ACX-11, Reaper and yes, these are NC, but hardly a majority. The 7F I can literally show you why it was buffed because you could look at the stats next to the other faction counterparts and see that it was under budgeted. The 11 and Reaper are NC iconic weapons that were relatively garbage, performance-wise, compared to other faction iconic weapons and even other factions' long range counterparts (as well as being relatively garbage even within NC's already lack luster arsenal).

NC did not become good players over night. Just like NC was not some how magically filled with more bad players before. The difference is called better balance and if you were to look at the deltas for pre- and post- PU2 performance you would see that the relative faction ranks within weapon categories was unaffected and only reduced the NC deficit.

Well, hopefully we will see this level of balance or better moving forward and into perpetuity because if they revert back to NC being hardcoded as the worst faction- as it was for over a year- then that is the end of my patience. I played NC for over a year and helped document the fact based evidence that was all convergent with the conclusion that a bulk of the NC arsenal was under performing. Moreover, you could show very easily that there were types of weapons that the game favored- namely, high ROF low damage good hipfire weapons- hence the changes the developers made.

Unfortunately, if you were not playing NC for the last year then I have some bad news for you- you probably got used to the poor state of balance so that now when things are more equal (i.e. NC still dead last in, for example, carbines- just not by as much) you find yourself struggling. Sorry to say I do not have much sympathy for you and I doubt many other NC do either because we played UP for over a year all the while documenting loads of convergent data from different metrics and different time periods and using these to create constructive fact based posts just to get flamed over and over by people with BS empty claims of "NC is bad" and "L2P".

If I'm not mistaken (honestly ONLY played NC as an infiltrator/LA) it was a shield. It was more like the HA shield of PS2 as opposed to a physical arm shield as it is now.

By contrast, the TR special was lockdown. I'm not saying one couldn't lockdown in a hallway and melt infantry pretty well, but when you went lockdown in a fire fight, it basically meant you were trying to get a few kills before being annihilated .

Hardly, ever since the balance update VS wins haven't been as common, and the wins that they do get are generally by slimmer margins. This is especially true now that the NC are in the North WG. I've played 3 out of the last 4 days during prime time and late evening, and the NC has won two territory alerts, a global biolab alert, and a global tech alert (with 40%, 38%, 4/9 and 4/7 being the respective scores). I know we lost an amp station global alert on saturday, but that's the only thing I can think of the VS winning in prime time in the last four days.

You have an odd definition of "almost always".

I think you're just mad that the good guys are winning. If anything NC weapons need further buffing to purge the Socialist and Xeno-loving scum.