Things about all 3 MBT's that people should stop saying.

#1). Vanguard has more raw HP.
No it doesn't, it has the exact same amount of HP as any other MBT, what it does have is higher armour values which in turn gives it more ''effective'' HP against certain weapons.

#2). Vanguard cannot survive 2 C4.
Yes it can, C4 only has a -125% damage multiplier against vanguard [compared to -150% of other MBT] so a shielded vanguard can survive 2 blocks of C4 placed on top of it.

#3). Magrider cannot outrun a vanguard or prowler.
No tank can outrun another tank [except for steep hills that only Magrider can climb], the actual difference between top speed and acceleration is so minimal in the grand scheme of things that no tank can effectively outrun another in a 1v1 [except the Magrider on special occasions].

#4). Vanguard has more explosion radius then magrider equivalents.
All 3 cannon options have the same explosion radius as the other, the differences are direct damage, velocity, and reload speed.

#5). MBT's are affected by all splash damage.
MBT's are considered heavy armour under so the only explosions that can damage them are C4 and tank mines [Dalton splash? It used to have AV splash damage] so anything else like the splash damage from rocket launchers don't affect MBT's.

#6). Prowler cannons will always 1 shot infantry.
It doesn't, Resist shield heavy can survive a direct hit a prowler shot.

#7). Tank shells originate from the cannon.
Thank shells originate from the center of your screen, so magrider and prowler shots are no off centered, it's just that their visual animations play from the cannon.

This is my list, feel free to add your own or correct me if I'm wrong.

8) The Magrider is crap

I'm a bit confused about your format.

If these are things that people should stop saying, then does it mean that we should stop saying:

Which would mean that the Magrider can outrun a Vanguard or Prowler?

Because if that's the case, I agree with you. Yes, in a race over open, flat ground the Magrider won't win. But in any combat environment in PS2, the Magrider doesn't have to deal with as much deceleration when traveling over bumpy terrain. This can and does translate to a significant speed advantage.

I know this because even a Lightning has difficulty outrunning a good Magrider team. What my Lightning has to go around, a Magrider can just go over without suffering too much of a speed penalty. I can outmaneuver and outrun Vanguards and Prowlers much more easily than I can escape from a Magrider (not to mention Magriders have more of a tendency to pop out of no where when I'm Skyguarding behind our lines).

Agreed.


So many folks heavily underestimate the effectiveness of the mobility a Magrider has. That damn thing can dodge Dumbfire rockets like it's nobody's business. It's like how effective ADADAD is on the infantry side, lol.

9) Vanguard has the fastest acceleration not the Magrider.

Vanguard was gear skipping though. That's cheating

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So true. I've solo'd 2/2 shielded AP Vanguards in point blank and won as a Maggie. Then I come to the forum and see people saying "wow Magrider is pretty much useless Lighting is only tank VS should use. Vanguard shield is so op when will devs nerf it? Obvious NC biased devs pay to win projectile drop no one likes VS nerf it." etcetc

Magrider is crap when you don't play it correctly, ie using terrain and strafing to your advantage

Yes I know my format was a bit weird.

Didn't notice the double negative but I can't edit the OP anymore.

It's actually 6 seconds since the shield nerf.
LA usually don't have that 6 second time, their usually hanging in midair while being shot by multiple sources since everyone hates C4 fairies.
What I usually do is activate the shield and scream at my gunner to get out and shoot the C4 fairy, you know to save our precious KDR and more importantly it's better then waiting in your tank to get blown up.

Then you get NC complaining the Vanguard is worthless and the Magrider has too much mobility. Meanwhile Prowlers are dodging shells from both tanks by driving back and forth. People just don't know how to drive properly.

And I can't tell you how many times I've abused this. With a Magrider, with the right terrain and at the right angle, you can shoot at enemies through a ridge without exposing yourself to them at all. Broken? Questionable. Overpowered? Hell yes.

That would be the drivers fault then .. Not the Magriders

So that's YOU who keeps doing that? I will write you a strongly worded letter, expect it in the mail.

And yet it has solid vehicle KPU http://ps2oraclestats.com/?stat=vKPU&weapon1=3460&weapon2=4008&weapon3=3730

Against what...

This is a list of things that people should stop saying ... Not me saying I think it's no good

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