The tank buster

This weapon can kill a full health MBT with one clip. To me, this is ridiculous. Anyone else? If you think otherwise, please explain.

Only from the rear and only with an angle of approach that leaves the liberator vulnerable to being 2-shot killed by the MBT's main cannon. Considering that Liberators can be heard from a distance of 400m, giving the MBT driver plenty of warning to change the rotation of his tank body or prepare to snipe it, I think it's a fair exchange.

P.S. The Tank Buster is secretly a shotgun. It just fires all its pellets in sequence instead of all at once.

So you think its ok to be able to kill a vehicle in one clip? Cant 2 shot a lib by the way. And if you're in combat you'd have a hell of a time picking out the sound of lib engines coming in behind you with explosions, bullets, and callouts everywhere

Is anyone else finding it hilarious.. that this guy is complaining about a gun that kills tanks.. when the gun in question is called "The Tank Buster"

I'm laughing it up over here.

Yea its amusing. But names are names and if they were to base stats off of that then AP rounds would instagib armored targets, the hailstorm would shoot icy pellets, and the hawk would be a bird launcher.
This is the only weapon in the game that is so efficient at murdering its counter. It just doesnt seem "fair" to be able to destroy a MBT so quickly without it having a chance to fight back. Even C4 and tankmines can be countered. Its cool if they want to leave it in, but then there should be counters. Like flak actually damaging aircraft in the same way. Because, you know, that's literally all it does.

I went from flying Libs to driving Tanks and i never get Tankbusted. Most Lib pilots dont even have the skill to do it. It requires the Tank to barely move, a approach angle were you arent seen and an attacking angle were you are vulnerable to main cannons and getting hit once is very bad since there is always flac/lockons/ ESF around which can easily finish you off.

And the Tankbuster isnt efficient at murdering its counter, in fact the Lib is the counter for MBT´s and not the other way around. And if you are zerging and dont hear anything that still doesnt change anything with the fact, that the Lib has twice the size of a Sundy and gets spotted pretty quick when going close to a decent battle and therefor can be seen on the map. Not to mention that a MBT is operated by two and reload times are a great chance to check the area. If two people fail to see or hear a vehicle that is twice the size of a sundy and also the loudest in game, thats not a balance problem.




Situational awareness > everything

I use Tank Buster Alot and I haven't one clipped a full healthy tank yet, it takes me 2 ( mainly because those tanks will shoot me down if i stay static too long)

In a perfect world yes; you will have a secondary gunner, a teamate will have spotted the lib, there are friendly esfs to chase it, you hear it from 300m away, youve turned to face it, it flies really slowly right towards you and you manage to get the last shot in while taking minimal damage and everyone gives you a high five.
One problem with posting on this forum is that everyone tells you "blah blah derp you SHOULD do this" or "herp potato this will happen and then this will happen ergo this wont happen". Nothing works like that in the middle of battle. Its chaos.

So its ok to kill a tank in one pass so quickly? It doesnt matter how MLGproNoscope you are when you do it. The fact remains that a lib can swoop down, buzz the tank, and be on its way in under 4 seconds.

Never said you are going to stand a fair chance since the Lib is still a tank killer, but what you are saying is true for the Lib too isnt it? In a perfect world the Lib oneclips the tank and is on its way in under 4 seconds, but "Nothing works like that in the middle of battle. Its chaos."

Doesnt matter how MLGproNOscpe you are, a MBT can kill a hovering Lib with 2 Shots in under 5 seconds, without even exposing itself.

oblivious people die fast in Planetside get used to it.

Vanguards can one shot ESFs. The Airhammer can kill an ESF with one clip the Vulcan can kill a lighting/harasser with one clip (from behind) Enforcers can one clip kill Harassers,

The game has plenty of these instances. The fact is....you literately need to have a fully upgraded clip size (2500 certs round about if not more) AND hit with every single round from behind in order to oneshot a prowler or Vanguard. To top that off you need to be pretty close. At range the damage drop off is severe and the CoF is huge. Like a previous poster said....the angle of approach is generally going to get the lib killed long before he kills the tank. Unless said tank is by itself someplace with out support...in which case...they accepted the risk

I understand you aren't a fan of the idea but the fact of the matter is...the tank buster used to be stronger. It has already gotten toned down and the lib has gotten to the point where it is barely a viable ground attack platform now days. It generally only gets to pick up loner vehicles or already wounded vehicles. Nerfing the main cannon any more would pretty much make it useless to the point of making it extinct. The only other option out there is the pea shooter.

I think it's absolutely okay to kill a vehicle in one clip when attacking the weak rear armor with weapon that only works at short range. A liberator instantly dies to two Titan-150 AP shots. If there are combat sounds everywhere, you're in a large enough fight that somebody will be locking/flakking/ESFing libs before they have time to worry about you.

The counter to Libs are SkyGuards, from an G2A perspective. Libs and even ESFs eat them up so fast it's a joke.
I have yet to meet the fabled 2-Shot in 5" Lib; No Comp Armour Libs I meet can soak 3-4 shells from my MBT. On numerous occasions I've seen non armoured Libs soak 4 Lock Down Bursters dumping their ammunition straight on the Lib, also taking Lock rockets in the rear as they gracefully glide away from danger, having farmed ridiculous amounts of peasants.
It may not always 1 clip an MBT, but it will destroy them fast and MBTs usually have no AA because of situation restrictions. I see 1 in 200-300 MBTs with AA turret. I doubt I have to explain why.
Also 1/3 Lib > 2/2 MBT.
The Libs are also able to create a situation and make it fit their needs more easily than an MBT. It's not that "Chaotic" for Libs and escape options are numerous.

These are not based on any numbers or sheet values or theories, this is what I see out there.

In any case let me add, I find it OK that a fully upgraded TB can 1 clip an MBT if it exploits ALL weaknesses of the MBT. That's logical. But TB is too effective against all types of targets and the Lib itself is a very capable platform, and that's the tip of the ice berg here. When belly turrets come into play Libs start becoming OP real fast, even 1/3, even against their counters! In a perfect World the Lib pilot has NO WEAPON or has just the Spur and other such variants, functioning as a "Support" weapon to the belly. In that World, the Lib can't hover but it has to do strafing runs and carpet bombings.

One can hope.

Wrong. Tanks cannot 2 shot a lib

I would also like to add that with PS2 as it is now, it's hard to judge anything objectively; For instance as ESF I get ripped to shreds in under 5" by all weapons except rifles perhaps, while enemy ESFs seem to soak up excessive amounts of ammunition dumped on them, including of course Flak.

You getting 2-Shot while piloting a Lib could be a **** up with the Hit Reg, lag, ETC, same for me experiencing the opposite. PS2 is so inconsistent right now, GL balancing it when it barely works.

I've always seen the Tank Buster as the Liberators biggest imbalance. The pilot should not have the ability to blow stuff up rather, assist the gunners if possible.

Stop posting false information. Go to VR. Grab a vanguard with Titan-150 AP ammo. Pick any full HP lib you see. Kill it in two hits. Then come back and apologize for spreading misinformation.

I could understand if Mag whine about it, cause they dont even get to shoot back half the time cause of turret elevation, and when they find just the right slope/hill they got lowest damage and biggest drop, and slowest projectiles... (yeah they just magburn away=moves slightly faster for 0,8 seconds against a Plane doing 200kp/h +) Vanguards got "Iwinshield" to save them and prowlers that anchor down can kill a lib in seconds...

Skyguards are cheap

VR libs don't have composite armor.

How are tanks a Lib counter? I can't believe people are actually thumbing up your posts.

Also, it takes 4 Prowler AP shell (2 salvos) to kill a VR lib. Remembering that explosive damage is not accounted for.