The Heavy needs a rework.

I've already stated that i will not talk to you until i see some evidence that you have either the experience or skill to make the claim that the HA shield is too effective.

My view isn't a view, I am defending the way the game is. With regards to games, you need to show your skill set to be making any balance claims, of which you refuse to do. Even vets come up with really great ways to make a nerf look like a valid balance concern when really it is naught but rubbish.

you make the claim that the HA shield is performing too good, please read this https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof

I am calling bs and that you're either a newb, a bad player or a vet that is talking ish. Now show us some stats and actually make a point of why it is performing too well rather than repeating that it is without any of that "substance".

Youre using that as an excuse and you know it

Youre going as far as to say i have the burden of proof and not actually wanting to have me make my case to prove it

This thread has been derailed into you deciding for yourself whos fit or unfit to have an opinion based on your own opinion which seems like a bigger issue in this thread than anything else at this point

Even a newcomers input is important in this game and id welcome it in this thread from either direction if the person has something to say

I'm too lazy to read through the thread, but I've been onboard with the HA speed nerf for a while. As for the medkits, I'd only include the timer, as forumside would blow up at HA having less medkits period (20, maybe 30 sec?)

EDIT: wow, so much hate. Glad I didn't read. On another note, shouldn't LMGs by design have huge bloom/CoF? Not demanding it should be changed to that, just wondering why that is...

There's a difference between feedback and nerf cries.

You have said that the HA shield is performing too well and it needs to be toned down (this is indeed called a nerf). I welcome you to at least prove how, even with your blatant dodging of showing us your stats which will tell us how well you play, which would show us how credible your opinion is.

At this moment in time you're either a new player with no clue or a vet who is trying to get something nerfed purely because you don't like it. I am literally calling bs on you and you refuse to provide some simple stats.

Even a "nerf cry" Is feedback

You cant just redefine words like that

I've stated that i'll listen if you provide stats and more than "HA needs toning down". This is also general discussion, have a think about what that means and understand that i am well within my right to ridicule persons who have no substance behind their nerf calls which seek to change the game in ways you clearly do not understand but i am positive you have some half baked idea.

But you refuse to prove anything and refuse to provide some of that substance, therefore should not be taken seriously and especially as it is a game changing matter.

Not that i'd expect you to understand.

You can talk about substance and subjectivity and such all you like but in the end youre just being a hypocrite

Ignoring the condescending tone i dont find anything in particular that qualifies you more than anyone else int his thread

You just bark alot honestly

Heres an idea

Bring Adrenaline and NMG shields both down to 500

Haggle with me

Disagreeing has nothing to do with hate.

Listen, it doesn't matter if a donkey or God himself said it, each would pretty much state that any class that has 700 more HPs in a shooter game, without any mitigating circumstances, would be at an advantage, all things considered. And you know what, they would both be right.

Be it during short-term micro-encounters or performance-wise over the long-term/macro-perspective, that class will out perform.

You really have to be lying to yourself to say otherwise.

I really don't care anymore. I am a heavy-assault, easy-mode *****. All other classes, sans that sneaky infiltrator (which I'm honing my skills with as we speak) really stand no chance. I use to get frustrated playing light assault. I felt like I was banging my head against a wall. No more. They melt before me lol. Actually they really do. I must have ran into a lot of ******** heavies if I could straight stramroll them heads up as a LA. I'm doing even better now, obviously, and that's all that matters.

There's really no reason to pull anything else, unless you want to repair, heal or sneak around.

Edit: I even changed my avatar. Give me a few months and my HA playtime will exceed my LA playtime, I think. 4 non-rezzed K/D ratio incoming. Non-rezzed because I rarely ever get rezzed as I run solo 100% of the time, all of the time.

So you fake 7 K/D pocket med whoring fools can kiss my asss

You don't get it at all. If someone makes a claim, they need good reason.

Let's just remove the medic healing aura. No need to state why or prove whether i have the experience to make any valid point to this, i just made that claim. It's just too good at healing.

You see how stupid that (lack of) logic is?.

You literally refuse to back up anything you state with reason. You literally refuse to be worth taking seriously.

You're just chucking out arbitrary rubbish with no reason behind it. Trolls actually make a more compelling point when skewing performance stats to fit their agenda.

If i bark, you whimper.

no ones denying it's advantage.

It is supposed to take a few more shots and deal with vehicles.

I'm glad you have found a class that suits you.

Yes it is an advantage.

Simply stated, DBG needs to explicitly state that somewhere. I don't know how many newbies I've sent to the ps2 uninstall bin playing la probably because it is not clear. LA is a heavily-used class for low-level people because they don't know better.

How many times have you seen a br100 light assault, consistently? Now compare that to low-level LA. See the pattern?

Really, I'm not being facetious at all. They need to state the HP numbers in blaring red letters somewhere so those level 16 LAs or anything else for that matter, realize the fact as it really isn't clear.

Just another stupid mechanism that we take for granted, but to a newbie is perplexing. Just another speed bump and puzzle piece as to why this game doesn't grow.

They probably really, honestly don't know why they are constantly getting slaughtered. Seriously. I didn't know the exact hp difference either until recently and I played since beta. I never realized it was as large as it is.

State that fact DBG. It will go a long way to lessening that newbie frustration as they all migrate to LA and get slaughtered.

Yeah more stats would be nice so people realise it's not as op as they may think.

They probably die often without any knowledge of just how close or far they came to out shooting the heavy that killed them. You can't change stupid though (the ones who do the same thing over and over and over again).

More power to them if they enjoy that though lol.

But the medic aura isnt too good at healing

Its less effective than the heavy shield to say say the least

If you want an example take a look at the thread before you and i took over.

Look through the forums at all the heavy threads. They cant all be nerf criers who dont know what theyre talking about right?

Sure , the fact that their opponent doubled their HPs or absorbed more has nothing to do with it...GG4skill...stupid though...newbie...lol

It definitely does help to remove skill from the equation

I dont mind losing face to face confrontations. Its supposed to be that way

But if you start off shooting from behind and still lose then somethings wrong

Sure, all people asking for a more reasonable balance about HAs (in otrder to make the game more competitive and to avoid the fact that noobs may leave while being disgusted whitout understand why) are ALL and ALWAYS shooting form behind and loosing their 1vs1 "...GG4skill...stupid though...newbie...lol"

Not sure where youre going with that one

It flew over my head

Actually a lot of the time it is people who know damn well that they're talking crap but want everything that doesn't fit their way of playing to be nerfed. They also like to make fresh alts so they can anonymously spout their rubbish and your profile says your account was made in april, and you shy from showing your stats. This happens on a lot of game forums as you may know.......

You won't link me your stats so i can see for sure what kind of player you really are. So i can only assume you're either just bad (which is not a problem, it's just the way some people are) or another of vet talking crap. If you're not very good, that isn't an issue. I take on players in our outfit with k/d's and spm that is so low it makes me cringe but in game they do contribute, but their stats do tell me exactly how they contribute and do a fairly good job of telling me how they play.

So when they try to whine about anything in the game i can literally point out where they are going wrong and what they can do to improve. Also see the video i have in my sig that i just linked, it may help you.

It's an argument i saw times to times from HA defenders "HAs are ok, you just have to attack them from behind. If you still loose the fight, you done it wrong".
Nothing wrong about your own contribution.