The Heavy needs a rework.

What name calling?.

Do you think this thread is worth anything more than gentle ridicule?.

I'm not going by any assumptions either and you just lost the shred of credibility you deserved by claiming that my opinion that nerfs (that you try to dress up as sidegrades) is unintelligent.

You have read and understood the class description. You understand it's role and yet want it nerfed.

That is unintelligent my friend.

Actully most who test my suppressive fire die by either direct shot from my gun or by a team mate. When they learn that going true that choke point is a bad idea I succeeded on controlling the battle flow and movement.

Reading the class description doesnt change a thing and neither does repeating that line

Heavy shields should be put down a bit and thats my stance on it. Heavies will still fit in that description but will be more in line with he game

Right so you want it nerfed to suit your own opinion.

That wasn't hard was it.

You want it kept the same to suit your own opinion

Its not hard to be subjective without actually defending your point

Exactly.

So what do we have to go on that is objective?

Class descriptions.

If class descriptions were objective we wouldnt be discussing them

If people would stop trying to twist the game into what they FEEL it should be, there'd be no need to discuss the obvious.

If it went like that the game would have alot less balance

Player feedback is incredibly important

Player feedback is indeed.

Crying about an integral part of the game is not (defined classes).

Im not crying though

Im offering feedback and youre trying to mudsling back and its really not making your point

The change id like to see isnt even large. Theres no reason to be so defensive

There is because the games been nerfed more and more over 3 years into a more codish type game.

Isn't that large by what standard? So 4-5 shots extra is too much to you?. Can you link me your char stats please to see if You're good enough to actually have a valid opinion on the effectiveness of the HA?.

Again character stats dont matter when youre playing specific roles

Hitting a heavy with a shot gun from behind just to be killed by that heavy is not something that should happen consistently when you are geared for head to head combat

They matter as some players are so bad that a max or claymore is op. These players are either too new or too bad to have valid opinions on balance.

See - liberators are op.

Stop dodging with excuses and link them please..... or are you hiding something?.

Max suits and claymores arent OP

Liberators are borderline

I dont have anything to hide and im not going to feed into this either

Heavies need a change. Theyll play their role still but within a better line

You can say that all you want, it still means nothing.

So it's safe to assume you are probably just new or possibly a vet trying to twist the game to suit yourself.

Well im certainly not new

And i dont twist games to suit myself. If you dont believe me on that you can check my name on warframe forums where i was hated for suggesting permanent invincibility and immunity to any kind of status effect or restriction was overpowered and i was hated for it <This is not a joke

Thats beside the point

Im not here to twist the game for my own good. And honestly you have even fewer ways to prove that than i do to disprove it

Take a moment and lets talk about numbers. Ok?

I can't take you seriously as you hide your stats.

Wanting a HA shield nerf is wanting the game twisted into how you want it.

I have nothing but ridicule on everything you say in the matter until we see what calibre of player you are. If you're new or bad, you can get plenty of advice to easily combat HA and if you're a vet, then shame on you.

There is nothing else i am willing to discuss in the matter with you.

this is true in large battles... but as server pop declines, small battles (12 and under) are more the rule.
in small battles, heavies are completely unbalanced in every way... so you rarely see medics or engies in small battles

TL;DR youre going to avoid conversation instead of actually defending your view

You can say what you want about me but youre the problem in this conversation