Stop with the "Remove 0.75 ADS" bull****

Discussion in 'PlanetSide 2 Gameplay Discussion' started by UberNoob1337101, Aug 27, 2015.

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  1. Jubikus

    Yeah but ide rather have the dps taken down a bit and have the weapon be more unique an cool instead of just shoot more i know its our faction trait but its counterparts have their faction trait+their faction launcher trait straight lazer high velocity and charge up mechanic that rewards you for carefull aiming NC with their hits harder but with guidence aswell ours just has Dakka i dont want it to out dps its counterparts i just want it to be on the same level of uniqueness but thats just my personal opinion.

    Also its kind of funny that this .75 ads thing has been discussed to death so much that were like meh whatever lets look at stuff that actually needs adjusting.
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  2. Ronin Oni

    I do agree fracture needs love, but Coyote mechanic on ground targets seems terrifyingly powerful. You'd need huge space between edges of cover and where you hide to avoid constant damage.

    I'd much rather them be more skill based with tighter CoF. Change dmg and resist types to have minimal effect on infantry while keeping AV damage profile so it's not a long range hvy machine gun.

    Then if needed they can bump up velocity or reduce drop (bear in mind how lockdown affects velocity though... however it may be possible to change Fracture benefit from LD to reduce velocity buff)
  3. CNR4806

    I don't know, if 0.75 ADS really isn't that much of a deal, why not give every single ****ing weapon in the game 0.75 ADS?

    It would make the people who cry "0.75 ADS OP!" happy because ADS speed is equalized, and it wouldn't affect the current users of 0.75 ADS weapons since they will still be having 0.75 ADS.
  4. Scr1nRusher


    That would be catastrophically bad for the game.
  5. Jubikus

    Yeah it would seem pretty scary even if the damage was toned down a bit because cover would be difficult for enemys depending on the cover and of course the cyote effect range but i cant think of another unique mechanic to try and apply to the weapon to keep them from just being the bland standard i mean i would do a charge up volley of shots but i think it would be a bit too close to the VS but in the end i guess i would just settle for stat tweaks that would at least let them land shots effectively. The striker tho just needs exactly a cof tweak that thing at long range you have to fire so slowly to be accurate and when you have to empty a mag then reload in order to get decent dps your hurting on a weapon.
  6. Naphemil

    No it wouldn't.
  7. Scr1nRusher


    Yeah it would.

    It would break the gun balance.
  8. Naphemil

    No it wouldn't.
  9. Scr1nRusher


    Is it so hard to take a step back from empire bias & the "special snowflake" mentality?
  10. Taemien

    I think most VS players would be on board with that. They've got to want to use something other than the Orion/Betel. But I know they don't wish to be forced from it just because it was nerfed to the dirt. I know many haters of it just want social justice however.

    I don't share that belief. I might play a VS toon to high BR. Why would I want it nerfed. This isn't one character per account.. I have six slots.

    Bigger enclosed buildings. Underground complexes. That sort of thing would rock. There's areas on Amerish that have bridges where the vehicles fight on top, infantry fight underneath. Those are cool fights too.

    I would love more three dimensional battles. We have ALOT of 3D space to work with.
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  11. BaronX13


    This coming from someone who believes all shotguns for all factions should be removed from heavies, but NC should still get Jackhammers on their heavies.

    Oh and before the retort. A Jackhammer IS a heavy weapon AND a shotgun, if you didn't notice.

    Yeah, good luck calling that decision "balanced", that single suggestion of yours pretty much makes your input invalid. If you didn't also carry this so called "special snowflake" mentality, then you would think NC heavies don't get to be special and be the only ones with shotguns too.

    And for the rest of you NC, no I don't think anything is wrong with the Jackie right now, just making a point against this nonsensical poster.
  12. Mythologicus

    Should probably change this from "this isn't a VS thread" to "this isn't a Scr1nRusher thread".

    I have to wonder about statistics (which surprisingly nobody has brought up yet). I know for a fact that the Orion is the most commonly-used infantry weapon in the game, and the vast majority of people will point to this and say "look how many people are using it compared to the other factions' equivalents". But here's the thing about the other factions: They have more than two good LMGs in their arsenal. For the NC you have the legendary Gauss SAW, the Anchor sidegrade GD-22S and the reliable EM6 alongside of the god-tier Anchor. For the TR you have the CARV which is respectable in a lot of situations (though definitely not the best), and the CARV-S which is a competitive and reliable tool at all ranges alongside of the MSW-R. The VS are running around with Orions and SVA-88s, and the latter weapon can only be called a good weapon because of 0.75 ADS offsetting its really mediocre stats, terrible recoil and limited attachment options.

    So looking at the above, the NC have a wide range of fun toys to play with and the TR can choose between wild dakka, more dakka or accurate dakka. The VS can choose between wild pewpew and less-pewpew-but-more-style. Of course more people are using the Orion - they have fewer good alternatives. This is why usage statistics are total balls.

    I'm not saying however that the Orion isn't problematic. I have mentioned before at least twice that it is. The problem is the durability it gives you (and yes, I'm referring to it as durability not mobility) at medium range and the accuracy advantage it gives you at close range. Two things I loved about the SVA-88 were its mid-range peekaboo potential and how challenging at was to use in point blank engagements because of its godawful hipfire. At medium range you could play super aggressively, darting in and out of cover , being a difficult target to hit while retaining fairly reasonable accuracy. Up close it was difficult because you had to ADS and aim for the head at a distance where the target could disappear offscreen in a tenth of a second in order to get the most out of the weapon. The downsides were keeping the target in your sights was incredibly difficult and you were slightly slower because you weren't hipfiring. The upsides were you had a massive accuracy and DPS advantage if you could keep the weapon on-target. The reason why I'm talking about the SVA-88 here rather than the Orion is because the SVA-88 is essentially a watered-down, more-specialised Orion. It's undoubtedly a worse weapon. So imagine what happens when you take all of what I've just said above and put it on a better gun.

    The Orion lets you play like an absolute maniac and gives you all the DPS and accuracy of an SMG-user up close while keeping the mad peekaboo potential at a distance - the Betelgeuse's heat mechanic also suits this style of gameplay perfectly. While the Orion does have the best on-paper hipfire accuracy of any LMG in the game, I believe hipfiring it is a terrible idea when the accuracy advantage of ADS comes with a much smaller movement penalty. It's the kind of weapon where you turn into an unstoppable force of technological superiority and just mow people down with righteous purple fire. Well, until you face an NC Medic with a 200-damage AR at 70m. Or an Infiltrator with an SMG instagibs you in the back of the head. But we're talking about specific balance here, that means we cover up the big picture with masking tape and just throw **** at the specific part of the picture we don't like.

    As a final note, the reason why this tends to devolve into a VS LMG debate is because nobody gives a **** about 0.75 ADS on other weapons. Why? Because EVERYONE has them. Who gives a damn about a TR Medic ADAD strafing with a TAR when there's an NC Medic doing the same thing with a GR-22? And what about SMGs, or hipfiring in general? Like I said, covering up most of a picture with masking tape and throwing **** at the part we don't like.

    TL;DR VS LMG arsenal is limited, Orion OP, metaphors were used.
  13. Scr1nRusher

    Heavy Weapons are separate from Normal weapons.

    Also Each empire has a specialty role for them.
  14. BaronX13


    You don't live in the same universe the rest of us inhabit do you?

    Again, if NC heavies get shotguns, the other faction heavies get shotguns. Call it a heavy weapon all you want, but it's still a shotgun. So it's never going to go your way
  15. Scr1nRusher


    NC having Special shotguns is part of the empire design.

    Just like TR has chainguns

    And VS having plasma tech.
  16. Naphemil

    Oh so we're resorting to personal attacks now? Cute.
  17. Hatesphere



    I just love how people talk in these threads. they use numbers but they have no meaning. how much faster are they moving? 3, 4 extra ducks an hour? Your arguments have no context at the moment, what is the actual disparity and how does it apply?
  18. Taemien



    So you bring up a topic that has nothing to do with this thread, to make a personal attack against someone rather than debate the points he brought up, and add nothing to the discussion... and you expect everyone to take you seriously? How does that work?

    Your opinion of the person you quoted is irrelevant here. If you've got a beef with him take it to private messages.
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  19. Scorpion97

    Actually me and other users are all fed up of scr1n's incompetence,so I agree on what baron said

    And he mentioned jackhammer to make a point of .75 ads in shotguns,just saying

    Btw,he didn't make a personal attack
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  20. IronMouse

    You are just THAT clueless. Yes, THAT clueless. I know, I didn't think it was possible either...
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