So.. I just played Planetside 2 with four friends.

Too little, too late.

Dude, all these nice things we've gotten - lattice, weapon stats, VR, Harasser, spawn room changes, tunnels, physics tweaks, etc. should have been in the game at launch.

Instead PS2 launched as a beta and only now they're adding it all in.

I agree he is a little uninformed on the vehicle vs infantry topic haha. Lots of people are raging about that. However, he nailed it when he said

"It doesn't have meta-game, it doesn't have long-term goals in mind and no real reason to play as a team (zerg cert farm)..... NOR does Planetside 2........."

I want this game to succeed so bad like he does.

Have you tried Dust 514? It is a FPS connected to a MMO with player-driven economy.

BF4 will have stuff to blow up and be on a match based system which gives the illusion of "winning" this game has neither of those.

pls. stop clutter forum with your whine.

Outfit tactics consist of setting a waypoint and telling everyone to go in that direction. Saying "shoot that sundy" or "go cap that point while I shoot bad guys" is hardly teamwork. You can't make any collaborative effort to take down any enemy because everything dies in 2 seconds. At most you can just shoot the same target as an ally, which really only comes into play when firing at tanks. Teamwork in this game is laughable.

Besides the fact that you only know how the few, disorganized, invite-anyone-and-everyone outfits work, you have absolutely no idea how spawn beacons, squad spawning, or squad sunderers work? Those tools alone would fix all of your 'welp... we all died I guess we should just give up because we'll never find each other again' problems.

There are much better videos out there that illustrate this, but this is a quick video one of our guys made of us squad spawning / beacon spawning on to a TR/NC contested point and holding it long enough to cap it against 3-4x our numbers. This is only accomplished through the teamwork you insist doesn't exist because you 'tried planetside with a couple friends'.

I had a long wall of text i wanted to steam out here but. Lets keep it short. As long as all the Rambo farming wannabes can't play this game the way it was made we will have that problem as a constant back problem. -w- It's not the design's fault it's the players.
(except the bases i still think they are awful on a defensive viewpoint)

are you sure that your four "friends" are not the rest of the fingers on your hand?

Quick question. Why that guy tends to crouch in a middle of fire fight?

I generally find the exact opposite to be true. Most everyone knows about heavy assault rocket launchers. All 30 of those guys have access to anti vehicle options!

Heavy Assault > rocket launcher... even if only 5 or so of you guys pulled them and worked together you could take out several dumb tanks and scare off a few more medicore tanks.

Max > AV option. Even if you are TR with the terrible HEG pounders ... 5 or so of you could mange to take out some tanks.

Go pull your own F'n tanks! Redeploy > nearest safe base > rally up with your friends > push out and coordinate with some engineers for support.

Perhaps you've noticed the motif here... working together... coordinating. I love when our enemy pulls a big vehicle zerg. Translates into lots of XP for those of us who pull anti vehicle weapons and work together.

I love how people are saying that they are so excited about BF4.

Let me just pull up wikipedia a moment... who is the publisher again... Oh lookie... everyone's friend Electronic Arts. By golly, they sure do produce a fine product don't they! That is why they are the most beloved game publisher in history! Never have they lead people astray! Their games are all so imaginative and different from each other, I'm sure the experience you will get from Battlefield 4 will be leaps and bounds different from the experience you get from Battlefield 3.

Nope, no way this could possibly go wrong...

I almost threw up my oj reading this so I must say something. I play the game like 'Rambo' but with an intent. With a goal. I don't farm in tanks. I might sit on the perimeter of a base providing fire support. I mostly play infantry in and beyond the front lines disturbing the other teams lines. There are many problems. Infantry playing too conservatively may be one of them. People in vehicles abusing mechanics might be another. Sunderers getting c4ed another.

If the game had no aircraft other than galaxies and tanks only killed other tanks or provided fire support the game would probably play perfectly. If there was no ZOE max and sunderers had built in cheese proofing the game would probably play perfectly. When you throw in ESFs and liberators and tanks with HE rounds and ZOE maxs; all of them Rambo weapons, then the problem becomes clear. But that is something that will probably never be removed but rather constantly rebalanced while introducing new stuff to make everything more complicated. I use none of those Rambo weapons because I don't fly and the others are to ez.

Ahhh i see what you did there you sly devil

I suppose it increases his accuracy while getting shot, although I insist it just puts his head in the way of bullets.

"I played PS2 with 4 friends"

uhm..... multiply that by 12 and you might get somewhere.

Console FPS though, with no plans for a PC version. None that I've heard of anyway. Same with Titanfall.

it was fine to learn while there were lots of people playing in November. Learning the game now without an outfit must be horrendous. I see way way way to many low BRs for my liking.

I am not very sympathetic with the low enemy BRs. Too many for my liking come equipped with shotguns or got uncanny sniping skills to truly be new players.

i dun know... ones i run into are sad heavies and infiltrators lost in the fields that i just run over with my prowler...