[Suggestion] SABR-13 (and VS and NC equivalent ),make the 2 round land on the same spot.

Sorry if this has been suggested before,anyway.

I couldn't help but notice how much the SABR reminded me of the AN94 with it's 2 round burst,the only problem is it's lack of accuracy.

My suggestion is to make it so that the 2 bullets land at exactly the same spot but you get double recoil after the second bullet leaves the chamber (no recoil for the first bullet).I'm aware it does more damage then other rifles but i don't think it would hurt since it has 600rpm.

It might also be a good idea to buff the ROF between the 2 rounds.1st - 1000rpm - 2nd - 600rpm - 3rd - 1000rpm - 4th - 600rpm - etc.

The AN94 is a complex weapon made to pierce body armor with pin point accuracy,i don't see why there would be at least one rifle in the future with a similar function.

Currently you would be lucky to even land the first shot at range with the second shot way off.

I think there is nothing unreasonable about the rifle not having recoil until the second shot. I too, thought it was like the AN-94, but the receiver, barrel and , BCG allow it to shoot two rounds at about 1800 rounds per minute. So both rounds leave the barrel before recoil is even felt, making the burst very accurate. If the same thing could be included into the SABR and any variants, I think it would make it a vastly more popular choice for long range engagements. Another option that could count as a rail attachment slot, for balance reasons, could be to have a full auto FCG to allow something in the neighborhood of 500 or 600 rounds per minute to give the rifle a little more utility.

The only issue I have with this is that the SABR is already a 2x burst gun, while the other two factions' equivalents, the Corvus and the Reaper DMR, are full-auto weapons.Only the SABR could consistently make use of this buff unless the others are given a similar burst-fire mode.

Turn SABR-13 into carbon copy of Gauss Rifle. Problem solved.

Frankly I think the SABR needs to lose the 2x burst and be replaced with full auto. The 2x burst is not used (with good reason) and the lack of full auto hurts in many scenarios.

I would be very ok with this. I really enjoy the Corvus and would love a TR version of it. I don't particularly hate the forced burst fire, but the fact that the recoil kicks in after the first shot instead of after the full burst makes the rifle handicapped.

I love my medic's gauss rifle on the NC, and have used the SABR a fair amount on my TR toon.

The big issue with the SABR is not only the fact that the recoil is high, it's the horizontal part that really limits its usefulness beyond 40 meters. Aiming center of mass and having the gun kick left OR right makes it impossible to really aim, forcing you to single shot anways

The recoil needs to be in one direction to make it viable at long range, or the 2x burst replaced with full auto to make it more viable in 10-20 meter ranges.

For me the main issue is the horizontal movement on the second shot that restricts the effectiveness of the SABR-13 at longer ranges. I don't if that is the result of horizontal recoil or cof bloom though. I'd like to see this reduced, I don't know that any changes need to go as far as making both shots hit the same spot, that is part of the weapons description IIRC though.

I believe that the SABR-13 is mostly where it needs to be, less a few minor adjustments. It's by far my favorite medic rifle on my TR character.

The two-round burst has no real disadvantage versus full-auto fire aside from having to keep clicking, and I've found it to be functional (even if not amazing) in close-quarter scenarios. Aiming at the target's crotch will allow both rounds to hit your target more often than not out to 150 meters or so, and I tend to get a lot of use out of the gun's 2x burst mode.

Remove the horizontal deviation between the first and second shot in the burst, and the gun will be just about perfect, IMO. Entirely vertical recoil would let you put the first shot into the target's gut and the next into its head, which is a pretty ideal situation. This is really all the gun needs.

I quite like the SABR-13. In beta it was incredible so I was a little disappointed at release when it wasn't as good. All it needs is for the horizontal recoil to be reduced a little and I'd love it again.

I think the idea for no recoil on the first shot is a little flawed (very little difference to single shotting with double damage which would be overpowered) and I'd rather it wasn't given full auto - its refreshing to have a weapon that has a very different mechanic to all the clones in this game.

The oddest thing about the SABR is despite being a "burst" weapon it has ~75 more RPM than the Corvus.

I appreciate that the Corvus is quite accurate, but no other 167-damage automatic in the game has such a low RoF.

Agreed, the Corvus needs something more to it.

In GU8 they're going to buff the compensator. I'm crossing my fingers.

I saw that. Hopefully the 'seperate compensations' for each weapon means that SABR-13 will actually get decent 2 round bursts. But how would they balance that so that you actually have to burst the weapon instead of spam the weapon to reliably land shots?

I hate the SABR simply for the fact that the 2nd shot never lands where I aim. Ever. The first shot always hits, but the second either sails left or right. So aggravating.

I think burst fire weapons should have very high ROF to make up for the fact that they are burst. It's worked well in every other game. The way they are now, they are completely inferior to their full auto counterparts.

And no other automatic weapon in the game has the Corvus' low horizontal recoil, save for the scout rifles (whose own issues are legion). The thing's a tack driver. You don't get to have great accuracy -and- high DPS unless you're a Gauss SAW

I just played for about an hour post patch almost entirely with the Corvus. I don't know if it's because of the first shot recoil buff to the gun itself or the buffs to HV/Comp/FG, but this thing is positively murderous now.

To my TR and NC medic bros, I'd recommend giving the SABR and DMR another try, you might be surprised like I was at how much better the Corvus is now. It was good before, but now... oh man.

Heh, this thread was prescient. Your wish has been granted, pretty much. GU08 changed the SABR's first shot recoil multiplier to LESS THAN 1.0. It barely kicks at all off the first shot now. It's a huge buff, considering how big of a deal that multipler is for a 2-round-burst weapon.

Check SABR-13 after GU08. Worth a shot.

This comes from somebody who hated this weapon with passion. Now it's actually usable. You just have to adapt to it's burst mode and value your aim.

They nailed it with the 0.75x recoil multiplier. Also the shots land close to each other. Time to get auraxium on this little thing.