[BUG] Return the Orion's .75 ADS or give it SPA

You have essentially taken the one good lmg the VS had and turned it into a poor man's MSW-R seeing the MSW-R can equip SPA

The Gauss Saw has access to HVA so there is no argument against giving the Orion SPA because it is a starter weapon

You fail devs. with your Point and Click Republic favoritism!

This guy again?

The Orion continues to have the best KPH of all the starter LMGs. Whereas the Gauss SAW and CARV hover at ~21, the Orion can boast of a ~24 KPH.

If anything the Gauss SAW and CARV need buffs or the Orion still needs more nerfs.

No.


And for **** sakes stop spamming the forums with this ******** stuff.


Enough with the VS victim complex.

The SVA is also good and the Flare has uses.

I will keep posting these threads until the PaCR have their well deserved *adjustments* so unless I am banned there will be more

So you are a SJW of balance.


Holy ****

This is because *more* people use the Orion since it is the best of the Vanu LMGs, both the PaCR and NC have better alternatives being the MSW and GDS

Yes the SVA is good at range, the flare .. no

GD is a sub for the starter, the orion equivalent would be the anchor and the orion is probably most used because it's also the default? If your bestis what you start with, why buy anything else?
Also I don't see why the orion needs softpoint if it's a midrange lmg.

Isn't the Pulsar LSW better than the SVA nowadays?

Have you ever considered you're not good enough and you should train more?

I referenced the SVA because it was good even back before the Orion's adjustments.

Not true.

Unique Users
Gauss SAW- 3,832
CARV- 3,716
Orion- 3,568
MSW-R- 1,089
GD-22S- 823

The Orion is actually used the least out of the starter LMGs. The MSW-R and GD-22S aren't as popular as the starter LMGs.

Furthermore the average BR of the Orion user is pretty close to the CARV or SAW user, meaning that it isn't even a matter of player experience or skill. The Orion is simply a better weapon than the CARV or SAW, despite the nerfs.

Where are you getting these stats from?

Oracle of Death, which in turn gets them from the PS2 API.

Ok well I don't see how the stats can be accurate given that since the nerfs the ability for the MSW-R to equip the SPA without a doubt makes it a better gun.

Um, why when

Well when I go here http://ps2oraclestats.com/monthlystats/ to look at the monthly given that is the most recent then sort by avg KPH lists the Orion as the third worst

Betelgeuse 54-A1894All BRs1768746837.7282.360.840.2990.030.020.050.0394.8NC6A GODSAW1879All BRs607927322.27125.647.780.2520.030.020.070.0495.3T9A "Butcher"1924All BRs712028424.88149.745.660.2550.040.020.070.0495.1LA1 Anchor7236All BRs1280256022.77271.944.870.2760.040.020.070.0377SVA-GG802738All BRs5882226.0812.641.440.2850.050.020.060.0385.7T9 CARV-S7253All BRs504224420.63137.535.510.2450.040.020.060.0374.3SVA-887276All BRs738838718.98200.734.730.2540.030.020.060.0368.4Pulsar LSW7275All BRs1052158617.75283.634.20.2490.040.020.080.0463.6MSW-R7254All BRs17811108916.19508.633.160.2490.030.010.060.0366.8EM67235All BRs860852916.23251.232.790.2420.050.020.110.0371.4VS NS-15M301001All BRs1222570517.2364.331.810.2470.040.020.080.0371.4NC6S Gauss SAW S7234All BRs283314619.3889.231.730.2370.070.020.120.0376.1T32 Bull7257All BRs640736917.32194.231.530.2370.040.010.060.0373.9VX29 Polaris7274All BRs434922719.0413430.540.2240.040.020.070.0371.3Flare VE67277All BRs696645815.13222.630.450.2440.040.020.080.0363.2TR NS-15M301003All BRs1026365315.58317.630.10.2410.030.010.070.0373.6GD-22S7233All BRs1111382313.46373.928.580.2390.040.010.10.0355.3NC NS-15M301002All BRs1025569114.78340.228.470.2350.040.020.090.0369.8EM17232All BRs611647112.81196.428.360.2160.050.020.10.0368.5T16 Rhino7255All BRs624745913.62218.427.870.2280.040.010.080.0365.3TMG-507256All BRs967070513.58323.527.70.2380.040.020.080.0367.4Ursa7278All BRs344025013.61123.526.560.2470.040.010.080.0366.9Orion VS5480All BRs36085356810.071466.523.90.2510.030.010.080.0333.6NC6 Gauss SAW78All BRs3393738328.83149221.350.230.050.010.120.0332.5T9 CARV79All BRs3431437169.181559.320.990.2240.040.010.10.0332.8

And if you look at the average playtime for the Orion it is the third highest !!
So my original points stand and appears to be supported by the stats

Mate, with the level your victim complex is reaching, I'm starting to draw comparisons between you and FriendlyPS4.

That's not a connection you want people making.

As for the Orion, it's closer to the GD-22S than the LA-1 Anchor. It is designed for mid-range use without sacrificing close range competency. As such, there's no reason for it to have a .75 ADS, or SPA. Those are not traits of the role it was made for.