PPA is UnderPowered and UnderPerforming

Welcome to what Marauder and Canister users have been facing, nuff said.

PPA is garbage at range now.

Slower RoF to have accuracy, with half the velocity, half the magazine, and IIRC less damage too (though just the first 3, particularly velocity, already make it garbage for long range)

I'm willing to wait out and get more stats before crying for buffs, fixing, what have you... but PPA was hammer nerfed to the least effective AI secondary by all initial accounts.

Obviously it was above and beyond. We all knew that. Some tried to defend that based on Mag's primary (though doing so would mean Vanguards AI would need to be even better), but it was less OP before than it appears to be UP now... however stats are likely skewed from people not even knowing WTF to do with it yet.

Because beyond requiring single shotting at range rather than leaning on the trigger, it's velocity and required 4-5 direct hits at range has neutered it for beyond 50-100m max.

You're about as effective firing canister and hitting a target with 1 pellet each shot at those ranges.

PPA was fine before the hammer nerfs and prowlers with HE are still broken.

You mean turning to the side or rear exposing the most vulnerable part of a tank to try to "escape" it is a terrible design and it is only good for long distance travel. I never claimed the prowler has no drop, but it has less drop than the magrider which has to lob mortars at even mid range.

They whine about things unless they become completely useless. See: VS pistols, ZOE, PPA, etc.

Just like we have to keep waiting several months for ZOE to not become total crap? That is complete BS. The data is right in front of you. Unfortunately, if it is not correctly balanced now it will never become truly balanced and it will remain worse than the marauder and canister as it is now.

If it is within c4 throwing range as it is now, it is suicidally close.

Meanwhile ZOE is still crap. Course it was fine before since the prowlers and vanguards can still beat a magrider.

What a lot of people dont seem to understand is the fact, that the Magrider is in dire need of its secondaries. Without a second gunner the Magrider is pretty much a suicide bomber. You cant just nerf the AI-Power of the Magrider and leave everything else as it is. You either have to buff the Magriders main cannon or to nerf its counterparts (Prowler's main cannon for example) for compensation.

I dont mean to be a buttface but suicidal to whom? i think it is equally suicidal; one getting close to enough to hit a slow moving LA when you can get in a Mag and strafe away with boost? I have a hard time hiiting people that close even with Marauder and Cannister rounds. but can only move back in a straight line. Maybe if they had just nerfed the PPA range where it fizzled off completely after a certain range that could've been a viable option.

ZOE? last time i checked we were talking about the PPA

dont change the topic to suit your needs of being right

and the data isnt there YET. it will probably get buffed in the next update tho



ZOE and lockdown and aegis all need to be looked at, the team knows this. but considering that for some reason a bunch of people cnat play right now becuase of performance issues, i think the abilities that are RARELY (besides aegis) used can take the back burner for now.

just like every other balance issue. i am personally not having performance issues besides for the ping spikes and i would love to see new guns and stuff, but perfomance must come first

You said give it several months to let the data set in, I pointed out how it has been 9+ months since ZOE was hammer nerfed and how it is still garbage, now we are present day without any ZOE buffs. Given the history of devs nerfing VS weapons and never revisiting them and even when they do they are still crap it is safe to assume that the PPA will follow suit.

I like that idea. Maybe then will I actually use the Magrider.

Rule 1 of war, don't stop moving.

I wonder what the TR Lockdown HE Prowler tankers sitting on a hill several hundred meters away farming infantry will say about this.

Do you know how god-damn hard that is? I ditched the lockdown feature right after using it ONCE.

It can't be that hard since i see TR tankers doing it all the time.

PPA definitely was not fine. Prowler HE is better than the other MBT's HE shells, but the AV sacrifice is far greater than not taking a halberd as a secondary. The other factions had short range AI weapons on their MBT's only, outside of the kobalt, which doesn't have splash. There was nothing wrong with the PPA, other than the fact that the other factions had no equivalent for it. Either the other two factions would have to get new weapons with similar capabilities (and to be fair, VS could have gotten a short range too), or the PPA had to be made short range, just like the others. Guess which one was faster and easier.

So when the mag turns quickly and can ZOOM of, thats more of a risk than the prowler which cannot zoom off... No mate.

From my experience, turning around and zooming off doesn't work, unless you're completely undamaged. If you're half health and you turn your rear to the source of the damage, 9 times out of 10, they'll just finish you off.