Please don't ban Aimbotters and Cheaters.

Me, I'd just make them appear as an enemy faction character to their teammates, complete with Spot Enemy highlight. That way he'll keep getting mowed down by his friends. Oh, and obviously no grief to the friends.

Really, though, I think that SOE made a mistake when they didn't have any Credit Card information attached to the account. Even a token micro-payment of $1 would be enough to easily ban hackers, as you can look for name and address as well as IP addy to ban these guys. Also, hackers who keep getting caught and paying $1 for the privilege might eventually stop because it's costing them real money.

They should add social insurance number to register. Kids wont have to beg for a credit card and will still be able to register and get perma banned.

I LOL'd hard

I think you should also find out where he lives and burn down his house, but only after eating his pets alive.
That seems reasonable...

I promote this idea greatly! Back when I had a Zombie Master server back in the day and admined it, me and my fellow admins would play with ******** and anyone who was ruining the game. We would blind them, set them on fire, strike them with lightning, turn them into a timebomb and let them blow up just to revive them and give them another 15 seconds of life before the time bomb in their body goes off again. Oh it was fun. They want to be an ******* to have fun ruining the game for others, then I will be an ******* and ruin the game for them!

Add to your list...
-making cheaters hallucinate and see enemies and vehicles that arn't really there, but still get kill indicators when shooting at them.
-make the games menu screen randomly pop up whenever they try to aim down the sights.
-they never spawn as their selected class.
-randomly switch to their other weapons and equipment or reload when they try to shoot.
-class skills charge bar, health, ammo, and shield indicators are always correct, showing more or less then the actual amount.
-shield randomly gets depleted, making them think there is a sniper.

While that's a good idea, how many teenagers (or any regular schmo, really, for that matter) do you think have their social security numbers memorized, or have them on hand, just to register to play a (free) game? Some people might not even have one at all. The idea is to prevent cheating, not prevent honest people from being able to play the game. Banning accounts by credit card number is a much less biased method, as even pre-teens seem to have them these days (don't even get me started on the idea of giving kids almost unlimited access to money they don't have).

More ideas:

-Every time an aimbot instantly snaps the reticule on someone's head, the user gets a total loss of accuracy for 3 seconds, as if they were sprinting or jumping.

Anything slower than instant snapping won't have any effect, so any humanly possible speed of moving the reticule won't have any effect on the game, thus only botters will suffer.

-There could be untextured players with disabled hitboxes generated for everyone all the time, as bots, server side.

The non-hackers won't see them, they will shoot and walk through them, but wallhackers will think there's an army of dudes waiting out in the field because they'll see a bunch of red boxes marking targets, even though there's no one there.

-Then, when a positive hacker gets detected, they should listen to Nyan Cat. All the time.
Music volume should be reset to max each time they turn it down and return to game.

I think its funny when people feel special for following the rules.

Hackers suck, but people who don't hack act like they are Mother Theresa.

Some good ideas, but they sound far too complicated for anyone at SOE to be able to handle.

My propositions will mess with hackers even without a hacking detector, based on how the hacks work and what they do that regular players don't (except for the Nyan Cat part).

lol the first one already happens to me all the time. Minimap doesn't show all friendlies, then suddenly it shows a tank in the middle of a friendly base, when nothing is there... A dozen of enemy red blobs to my right side, nothing there..

The second is a good idea though, but it should just be a permanent locked glowing orange prison jumpsuit.

Make popups constantly pester them to buy premium then ban them thereafter.

Ban do not work, cause they just make an new acc, there must be something which notice a too big accuray, and take it way from the user. This would help alot more.

i believe Credit card would be nice since how many CC (not prepaid) you may have? 1? 2? ok 5? ok you may cheat 5 times... then bye bye loser! i wonder if they go to the bank to ask new one.. ok but the name is the same so..

anyway, my point is that i've bought a new graphics card, better connection, all those cost real money that i earned woke up every morning.. and after all this i cannot enjoy ps2 due crash to desktop, hackers, aimboters and last but not least.. SOE pretend that i become premium even to get into the game! a buggy game full of haxors? it's not enought, dear SOE, that me and as many others who doesn't pay (with a lot of reasons, see cheaters bug and crash) are basically butcher meat for paid users?

NO is not enought! we also have to wait to play a buggy hacked game! lol..

last but not least, this game need a powerful pc to run smoothly, so ppl who doesn't have it basically are nerfed.. (due lag in many warm situations) and i don't want to talk about the crippled graphis..

so..SOE pretend that i must pay to have a better pc, to become premium, get new stuff just to be raw meat for hackers and/or crash to desktop? no thanks..

Good old Gas Lighting

Credit card validation is the only way to get rid of most of the skids. Okay? MAC address ban? Easily spoofed. Not going to help.

Totally like those ideas. If you ban a hacker he will be back 3 minutes later with the next account, because if you hack you know that sooner or later you'll get banned. If you however degrade their experience subtle and slowly, they will eventually considers this game to be totally crap and never come back.

MAC spoofing is extremely easy. I carry a spoofer on my laptop at all times (I've been MAC banned on access points before at hotels due to high bandwidth use).

Pre-paid credit cards (electronic and plastic ones) are too easy to get. They each take only a couple minutes to get and activate. The accounts can be setup to be non-traceable and so it would only slightly detract hackers. If anything, it would end up getting a lot of the little kids off though as most parents won't give their kids a credit card. If they set it up so you were required to provide a NON-prepaid credit card, then your idea would probably work for sure as almost no parents let their kids have free reign (if any reign) on their credit cards. Since you have to be 18 to get one, most hackers would be eliminated.

It would also have to work for check-cards and not just post-paid credit cards because I for one, can say I don't own a bit of credit to my name (have enough money to not need it). A lot of college kids these days have check cards since they're attached to checking accounts but don't have credit cards unless it's from their parents. The great thing about doing it post-paid credit or check cards is that to own either one, you have to be 18 or older by law (at least in the US).


Personally my favorite idea is simply to just do some type of server side command injections. I would be completely happy if the admins trolled the hackers. It would eliminate 99% of the hackers. Assuming 10% of the people that play PS2 hack (extremely unrealistic, but just follow me), then it would mean after most of the hackers were removed, there would be a 0.1% population of hackers. That's 1 out of every 1000 people are hacking. I could deal with that number to be honest.

Right now the biggest problem with just banning them is that they will simply come back. An easy way to see this is to look at Combat Arms and the "Great Hacker War" as it was coined a while ago. Nexon would do sweeping bans here and there but it never really stopped people as they'd just start a new account. In that game, leveling too even longer than it does here and getting access to weapons took a LOT longer than it does here. So honestly if it didn't deter people there, it certainly won't here. (The biggest thing that reduced the hacking there was Nexon US taking one of the companies, that made the programs, to court with a civil suit, aka Nexon US is suing the hacking program creators).

You stop hacking by deterring it not eliminating the ability to hack. The best deterrent is not removal, it's harassment. If you screw with the hackers enough to the point it ruins their game on a daily basis, they won't do it anymore. Exactly how that is done could easily be up to SOE, but there are a number of good ideas here that I like and would work (really like the bright, glowing outfits coupled with randomly altering their damage multipliers). The best way to stop people is to drive them insane, not to kick them off for a day. Timeout rarely works and the proof is called prison (the repeat offender rate is extremely high).

Making them a source of our amusement, I like it.

well obviously it would be only cards which have to be registreted and traceble with personal id.
same as transfer from a bank account with the same info directly from the bank for those without such a card. this would effectively eliminate the hackers.

as for server side injection, i assume you mean client side? since else it doesnt give the devs any info they cant just take from the logs.
if so i would say NOOOOOOOO, knowing how ******** and immoral those gm/devs etc is i would NOT allow them to have free reign to look at my computer, yes i got stuff on here which i do not wish random people to get their hands on. especially not when there is soo many better ways to do it. and at the same time leaving such things on people's machine opens yet another security whole for others to misuse.

i agree banning them know means almost nothing..
but the only way to ban them effectively is to be able to identify them with their rl personal info.
yes you can actually get a bankaccount or credit card under a false name but it is a *** of alot harder then anything else you can ban people on and its is one of the most illegal things you can do and i doubt any sain person would take that chance just to hack in a game (in my country its up to 2years in prison just for having a false id.... which is crazy since beating people half dead and r.ape etc gives less then 6months -_- sick laws.)

ps: you do NOT wanna start a "war" with the hackers, they are smarter then you, have more resources then you and more importent they got all the time in the world to *** with you (this is what they do for fun). so do not try to harash them since they can bring soooo much more hurt on any game company then the company can ever dream to bring on them.
the only thing you can do is eliminate their ability to use your product one at a time.

so is the account its linked too and if you call the bank to be sure of who the person owning the card is its easily identified by the bank.

banks do not like people misusing them for illegal purposes, they would not allow you to continually use them to break around some security and if i asked the bank if they could make me a new account with a new credit card linked to it just 2-3 times i would have to explain WHY, which would be very hard to do realisticly. (and even so if they got a call from a valid firm about it, they would properly not cover for me so i could break the law )
even if i could do that, having to get your bank to create and close an account then wire an amount to confirm yourself EVERY time you got banned for the hack is a real bother and i am pretty sure almost every one using hacks wouldnt do it.

not all countries got something like this, neither does all of them inforce that you have to have one