Orion VS54 /SVA-88 /Betelgeuse 54-A

Well, weapons like the Cyclone and the Anchor actually have a lot to gain from SPA due to their low rate of fire. High rate of fire weapons have almost no noticeable gain from SPA.

That said, sure, I wouldn't mind it if all of the weapons you've listed lost SPA. As a matter of fact I (and many others on Reddit) spoke in favor of giving the post-nerf Orion and SVA soft-point ammo simply because their cross-faction counterparts (namely the MSW-R and the CARV-S) have it.

Most of us have no problem with that because overall, SPA is flat-out inferior to 0.75 ADS on an 1,800 DPS weapon.

Then why do you want SPA in Orion when you think it's flat out inferior to .75 ads,that means that you want a nerf more than a tweak

Simply because it would put the Orion/SVA on the same page as their counterparts, the MSW-R and the CARV-S.

Unless we went the opposite route and gave the MSW-R and the CARV-S 0.75 ADS. But we know that's not going to happen.

Can we just remove the no bullet drop on VS already, its tiring to see this argument coming up again and again when it is clear that is has no advantage on 99% of the VS guns, so why have it as a faction trait...

lasers with bullet drop that's funny man. but yeah they need to do something to make every factions different besides just the ESF, MBT, heavy gun and max weapons. i dont like it when they nerf/balance things in the game but it seems like they are spending more time just balancing then idk more vehicles, continents/battle islands, true faction specific items. its funny they made nexus but they never released it to the main game and koltyr is only one PS4 and test right now. but back to VS guns yeah nerf them got way to many ups and not a lot of downs

Sorry to bring back something I posted from page 2, but another reason to give all VS LMG's (except for the Polaris) 0.35 moving ADS COF while the SVA-88 and Ursa get a 0.3 moving ADS COF is because the logic on why the better moving ADS COF was taking away in the first place doesn't make sense anymore.

https://forums.daybreakgames.com/ps...cember-17-2013-9-30-am-pt-6-30-pm-cet.162621/

First off, the TMG-50 which has the exact same reload time as the Flare is getting it's moving ADS COF buffed to 0.35 so there is zero reason why it's not being added back to the Flare.
Secondly, VS LMG's have some of the worst DPM because of their abysmal reload speed compared to magazine size which is what the devs should be looking at.
Here's a list of each LMG with their damage per magazine divided by their long reload time or how much damage they reload per second, with the higher number being better.

EM1: 3202
NS-15: 3146
T-16: 2903
Polaris: 2903
Pulsar LSW: 2750
Gauss SAW: 2667
Ursa: 2664
CARV: 2648
T-32: 2615
CARV-S: 2563
SAW-S: 2495
TMG-50: 2397
Flare: 2397
SVA-88: 2282
GD-22s: 2217
MSW-R: 2163
Anchor: 2087
Orion: 1956

So as you can see, LMG's like the SVA-88 and Flare are already balanced around having a low reload speed compared to their damage per magazine (Orion/MSW-R/Anchor are balanced around CQC which IMO should be balanced differently) which calls into question the reason why devs originally nerfed the moving ADS COF of VS LMG's. The Polaris/EM1/T-16 are already being normalized while the Ursa also has a super low DPS (almost as low as the NS-15) and the Pulsar LSW is getting 0.35 moving ADS COF.

I don't think the SVA-88 and Flare or the other LMGS are balanced primarily around having a low reload speed/DPM - where did you get that?

Whats up with recoil for example? VS has average lower recoil on its LMGs - don't you think this should be considered? Or fire rate?

You can't just list DPM and use this as a evidence for a poor VS LMG arsenal. I also would like to point out, that while VS has 3 LMGS in the last third of the list, it has also 3 in the top third, while NC has only 2 in the top. TR even has only 1 in the top third - the rest is average or in the last third, while having the highest (worst) horizontal recoil stats.

+1 . There is no logic there. With exception of 0.75 LMGs, ALL VS LMGs were **** in general, compared to generally tolerable TR LMGs and complete OP Anchor/SAW pair from NC

More than half of all NC play SAW/Anchor because they are so op, that there is reason to use anything else. VS playing solely with Orion/SVA is not because it is OP, but because everything else is completely substandard.

Ofcourse people hate than them favourite guns get nerfed. You know why? Becouse you use 2 years same gun to earn decent aim and skill and now after nerf you're begginer again. Who can like this?

And yes betelgeuse/orion/sva is overnerfed no one use it anymore. Now we don't have our faction specific guns just plenty of useless sht. The only good gun left for us is NS-15m which one can be used by all factions thats how ''good'' Vanu heavy assaults weaponry is.