If the VS Max has always been on top, then the K/D of NC Max had to be below 2.5 anyways. Everyone thought the VS Max sucked but I have been telling people for ages that the VS Max is a beast when certed up.
It's 'opt-in' daily stats. Not sure if they also dredge for player names, but it appears the site looks up player's kill-feeds and daily stats on planetside players to get a set of daily statistics. also the pages linked to is average stats, and you can see some weapons are used for a lot longer than others on average. The per hour stats show the more relevant info as to the kills per hour with each weapon. I agree with you assessment that that site could have omissions or data gathering bugs that render the data useless. But, it's still a lot more data that Higby has shown. Personally, with the obvious anti-VS bias Higby shows with his comments, I'd be more inclined to trust the third party stat sites.
A month ago Cosmos were the only MAX weapons worth using, so the only people using MAXs frequently were those people who bought dual cosmos. Just sayin.
The guy you quote has just no clue what he is talking about. Leave him be in the fantasy world of his. Also, I hate the Crab but not for that kind of reason.
One should not be surprised at the lazy reasoning and unsubstantiated sweeping claims in that exchange. Nor should anyone recoil in shock at the SOE/Highby apologists touting that whatever off-the-cuff remark he makes is thoroughly fact-based in-depth analysis. While it would be naive to think that the level of discourse in this forum, especially when it comes to faction balancing issues, can rise above the merely fatuous, it would be nice if, once in a while, SOE would really truly give us some genuine in-depth insights into how they interpret their data and how they arrive at the conclusions they come to. Perhaps they really are as superficial as they appear, as suggested by the referenced exchange - I don't know. But - as others have noted - there is a lot more to it than drawing a conclusion from a global KDR stat alone.
Pulling up a stat page of OVERALL kills with a weapon is utterly worthless. It tells you absolutely nothing except what weapon was the most utilized. Higby already said that the VS MAX was hardly used and used the least of all three MAXes... therefore, one would surmise (if they have a brain) that it would have the lowest number of overall kills. Keep your pointless stat pages out of this unless it pertains to GU09 only.
If they had any data that was worth a damn at all, no one using an aimbot (ADS restricted or not) would still be in the game with their original character.
I found this to be quite amusing as well. It reminds me of back when the Magrider got more Kills on average than both the Prowler and the Vanguard combined. Of course many VS said it was completely fine, yet all the TR/NC always raised an eyebrow because you barely ever saw any Vanu infantry when they attacked a base since they were all in Magriders lol.
Even the most cursory Google search shows that Ghostcrawler has infinitely more professionalism. Giving an interview to a guy most known for his rabid racism and temper tantrums and who's personally responsible for people playing on other empires just because they don't want to be associated with him? You don't give an interview to someone like that. You just don't. "VS players are funny, they don't use stuff unless it's obviously OP" You don't say something like that. Even if you think it's true. Even if it IS true. There's no better way to fuel and give merit to dev bias arguments, and do you really want to make fun of a third of your paying customers?
Your memory must be slipping because Higby himself said that the Magrider had more vehicle kills than the Prowler and Vanguard combined, not kills. In fact he said the overall score rate per hour was about even across all three factions. This meant the Prowler did the most killing since tanks only gave you 2x infantry XP. So that would mean Prowlers were doing 2x the killing compared to Magriders. Then again I wouldn't expect most of you guys to remember what people said since most of you seem to not be able to remember English, rather resorting to grunts, howls, and screams.
Thanks for your civil reply, refreshing change on these forums. I'm still confused about the weapons appearing twice, I can only conclude (maybe incorrectly) that this is based on which arm the guns are fitted. Seems odd as it's the same weapon, but never mind, I may never know. Well we have seen NO official stats from SOE so I can't argue with you on that point. However, if there are bugs/discrepancies in the way that the page gathers data, then official SOE stats presented or not, the stats that were shown are thus proved irrelevant/useless. Not really comfortable to comment on any perceived bias issues. I will say though that we, as players, and the devs themselves (watch FNO sometimes) will often have a dig at opposing factions, and it's mostly taken in good spirits by everyone. Don't know why Higby should be treated any different to any of the other SOE staff. I know he's "head man" but he should be treated no differently in regards to "having a dig" at opposing factions. In any case time for me to move on. "The finger, having written, moves on"...
Sorry I misquoted and forgot it was vehicle kills, yeesh. Higby also stated that the Magrider was OP at one point too you know
Zoe nerf? Today? Finally can hop over my vs alt for a change of pace. You're really ******** about that comment aren't you? I was thinking of planning to start a debate with you, but reading your words couple of times, I came to conclusion, that you won't even care, what others have on that opinion. I'll take that sincere edgy but human joke over anything you dream about in PR department.
I'd guess its the different arm's weapons have different IDs, separating the one you get as stock, from the second one you have to buy, is likely to give useful data. Yeh, but its the unknown if. Possibly wrong data vs no data, it's not a very enlightening choice to make! I think having a dig at faction traits is fine, rebels fascists and cultists. But making disparaging remarks about the players behind the faction armor is a bit much. Especially when discussing game balance which should be based on facts and realities alone, not biased perception.
I found it interesting that they had the highest KD ratio even though they were the least used. My theory on why that was so is this: They were the hardest to use effectively, so one of two things was the reason Either most VS only pulled MAXes for AA duty, which has a high KD ratio and/or those that DID pull MAXes did so because they had great dedicated support or had their rigs certed out the rear. Where as the effectiveness of TR and NC MAXes meant that more people wanted to use them and so the overall KD ratio would be pulled down by a larger pool of less-effective players. At least that would be my theory, not knowing any stats like average BR of user or what weapons are used most (burster versus, say, nebulae). That they have a slightly better KD ratio now than the other MAXes would need some clarification if that ratio is stats earned after ZOE or a combination of before and after or whatever. If it is a combo, then the higher KD ratio from before being pulled down with more players playing aggressively in AI/AV warfare now (and consequently dying more) would certainly explain that, too. EDIT Actually, nm. He kinda changes his words back and forth. He basically flip-flops his numbers. First he said they had a higher KD ratio before, but now it is only slightly higher than average (I would assume of other MAXes) and then later he said it went from 2.8 to 3.5. The first indicates the KD ratio went down (from way better to slightly better) while his second clearly says it went up. I wonder if he got his numbers wrong or I read it wrong.
Less than Vanu Maxes apparently. Funny... you had the highest KDR Max all along, but hardly anyone used it for some reason? Back when NC Maxes were gods in < 10m fights, when I played my TR or Vanu character and used a Max the lack of support was always shocking. I think that was a part of it, people think that an NC Max is a beast so it gets more engineer support. Now that people think ZOE Max is a beast (and overpowered), people actually pull them, and they actually get support.
