You're either trolling, or are intentionally downplaying ZOE's potential. I'd assume you're trolling, because nobody could think the community is that stupid to believe ZOE isn't superior to Charge. As a VS max, there's no reason to take charge over ZOE, unless you're trying to evade air bombardment, which if that's the case, you're doing it wrong. As for an NC max, I still disagree taking Charge over Aegis. Sure, I can charge in close to a ZOE and manage to get a full clip into them (ZOE still takes more than 1 clip), but before I can finish them off, they're able to escape thanks to ZOE being always on. ZOE is deadly in the hands of a skilled player. I'm not saying nerf it, but trying to downplay it's potency is deceitful to say the least. NC maxes do have range btw. And Hacksaws are garbage now, unless you can get within 5m of your target.
The will just nerf it into oblivion man, instead of allowing the NC 1 arm free with the shield up and increasing TR stats a little more. Also we need something this good to compete with the NC and TR over population atleast on Connery.
That's definitely false, with ZOE on you can get killed in one clip of the ScatMAX (or w/e shotgun he's using)
The only way currently to gib a ZOE max in one clip is to be standing within 8m and have every pellet from your Dual Hacksaw extended clips hit, against a Flak wearing ZOE. Kinetic armor insures that you will survive beyond a clip, even with the resistance debuff. Try it sometime when you're bored.
Also, for reference, a ZOE MAX goes down to one mag of the Jackhammer + any damage at all if all the pellets hit. I was killed by a Heavy today using that and a Mag-Shot, it was embarrassing as hell since the pistol is what showed on my kill screen
Fall to shotguns very easily. When I hear get hit by a shotgun, I turn tail and run like a scared little girl. Shottys melt ZOE MAX's. That's why I said they didn't need a nerf, they just needed people to play against them for a month or so and figure out their weakness. TR MAX's fall to dumbfire + primary. NC MAX's fall to concussion/flash + C4 or concussion + dumbfire + primary. ZOE falls to auto/semi shotgun, no explosives needed.
It happened to me, that's why I said it, with ZOE + Kinetic level 5 I got killed in one clip by a NC MAX, I don't remember what weapons he was using though (no, it wasn't Ravens, it was dual shotguns for sure).
I personally think that SOE should observe a month-long waiting period for rebalancing new things, and this is why. Give people time to get used to something new and stop whining about it before you consider nerfing it. Everything different is OP until people learn how to fight it. The Light Assault class was "OP" for a long time until people started learning to look up. The Wraith Fury Flash was OP until people started just shooting the damn things with their guns. The ATV starts smoking after a few shots, and then you can track it. Let the initial game-update whiner crowd quiet down and you'll know what players actually want done. I have actually seen threads on this forum complaining about things that haven't been added to the game yet. People will whine about everything, but only for a little while. It's the continuous discussion of certain things (cough...cough...Striker...*clears throat* sorry about that) that should draw attention.
The jackhammer is the worst gun in the game. There is no reason to use it over the piston or the bruiser. The funny thing is, the fastest you can empty the full mag is 4~ seconds. The only way all pellets will hit, is if your within 10 meters or less. See the problem here? It's like saying a ZoE goes down to one mag of the gauss. Of course it does, it takes 10 seconds to unload it.
I get it and i would totally agree, buff the other factions vs nerf stuff. The problem is that normal infantry has a very hard time against ZoE, raising the other MAX's means every battle will end up being a MAX vs MAX spam fest. I hope they do what higby said, change the side straifing and give it - 50% resist vs 50% less after an 80% reduction. Then it will be a choice of when to use it, and it will still own, however no more having 5 guy's shooting at it and doing nothing because 1 engineer is repairing it.
This is very true, the only things that were obviously OP were the Phoenix, the Prowler, Lib belly fire, and the November released rocket pods. The Phoenix was OBVIOUS because it was making it impossible to move onto any flight deck or traverse an open field. The Prowler was just flattening everything, everywhere. Then the Air problem was more of an overall balance issue than any one single item. If you give a look at the score rate for the different MAX's, I'm sure the score rate is lowest on the VS MAX's. Mine's only 254 SPM. Checked out BCP's (though he has his 100% boost) and that's 840 SPM. Stew360 has 560 SPM for his MAX. So to be absolutely fair, VS MAX's may have a high KDR but it's only because they're used for quick strike purposes. Overall I get a better score rate playing as an engy doing repairs and resupplies.
Dude ZoE isn't hard to take down. Get a freakin' semi-shotgun or an auto-shotgun and you'll see they die VERY fast.
strafing while shooting mid range and beyond is silly with .75 ads and ZOE, especially after the nerf. To counter use your sprint to retreat and take cover before taking them down, expect to be instagib'd at midrange and below, but they can still be swarmed
Its sad when one of the devs posts openly about his bias against a particular faction. Oh well, its not like we didn't know this- its been obvious from the beginning since Higby nerfs anything Vanu.The only thing that keeps me loyal to VS is that some of the best youtube PS2 guys like rivalx and levelcap are usually Vanu.
Bias against Vanu? Newsflash, nerfs have happen to all 3 factions. You go to Mattherson, and everybody thinks VS is favored. Then you go to Waterson or Connery and people think TR are favored. Then you come to these forums and read posts from all 3 factions pointing fingers at one another claiming bias. Wake up and stop coming up with excuses as to why you're so upset your toys got toned down, all of you.
Maybe at launch, but it's very serviceable now. Whether it's better or worse than other shotguns, it's still a shotgun and does what shotguns do. If you want worst weapon, try something like the Burst variant weapons that can't even full auto.
ZoE and what it needs 10second duration, 60 second cooldown more vulnerability to return fire, maybe 10% more.
