new max weapon for vanu is bad?

i have cert for buy a weapon and i think in this weapon but is really good for kill infantry and vehicles?what is your experience?is a waste of cert?

Against infantry the vortex is completely useless. Against vehicles the Comet is better and you can somewhat kill infantry with them as well. So if you want a weapon with fast projectile and pin point accuracy get a Lancer for your HA. It deals almost the same damage as two vortex anyway and you only need to buy one weapon instead of two. On top of that you still have the LMG so you can deal infantry with no problem.

^ even after the changes to Comet, it's still better. I actually still want pre-change Comet.

You want to go back to 550 damage and 1 shot in the magazine rather than having 475 damage and 2 shots in the magazine? Both versions being able to double shot infantry, although the later one can only do it within a certain range.

WINNER : 420Dps 500M/S 0.3/0.3/0.3/0.3/0.1 +indirect damage// 120*315ammo // Damage before reload : 3150

Max ability : Lock Down : Insane Fire Rate Increase and armor but deploy

LOOSER : 153>255Dps 0.39/0.39/0.39/5/1 144x85ammo // Damage before reload : 612>1020

Max ability : Get free damage when he try to increase a bit fire rate and speed. Nice we can move, but we have a 5 hip accuracy when walking and more recoil so its dont work with firerate...

They seem good for killing other max units at range and that's about it.

you really should try taking out vehicles from 320-400m, they can't see you. also it's 2 charged to max shots on an esf to make em smoke and you still have rounds left in mag. just work on your timing these things are nearly hitscan. don't use on infantry they're terrible.

In other words, when Infantry comes up on you and nobody around you is paying attention or your alone, your dead. The fastest way to kill with the VS max is still by laughing them to death. Infantry can come up and spit in your face, well you don't even be in line of sight of the other faction Maxes.

TR MAX can do it just fine too with their new MAX weapon. And kill 4x faster.
The new VS MAX weapon sucks.
The heavy Lancer is better.


If I were you, I'd wait. Because seriously, they cannot let this go like this. Maybe they will buff it up, which is highly needed to be useful.

sorry i play all sides and there's drop and time to contact on the tr weap, also when you hit them they start to move. knock off 8 rounds from the areas i hit around the target and you'd get about the damage the tr weap deals. just spent most of a 2 hour session wasting time hitting far out targets and got more for killing infantry with an AT weap. vanu do it better at range though that dropoff on damage needs to get gone. don't think the lancer has that dropoff.

Don't buy the vortex and for the love of all that is holy don't cert it. Comet is a thousand times better. Better yet ..get yourself a nebula or two with station cash and use your certs for Kinetic armour and just lurk in Bio Labs, with the exception of LA C4 bombing you'll make a mess out of enemy infantry.

And for Game sake, WHAT is wrong with SOE Creative Department ?


NC and TR factions have both their new weapons integrated in the Exo-suit.

VS Vortex has a poor hand grip, and lack of originality, just recycling the Lancer effect. All the others weapons were integrated, Just take a look to the Nebula, Comet, Blueshift etc...
The VS MAX arms are "hidden" in the weapon.

I really think they skipped the Vanu for Marketing purposes. Doing hardwork for over-populated factions where they have MORE customers, and just do it quickly for Vanu, to content the players.

Where are our Aliens technology weapons ? With Alien skins ?

I for one like the Lancer Carbine. Superior VS MAX technology doesn't need handicapping arm mounts. Like true nanite experts we hold oversized guns.

Lancer > Dual Vortex

There is something wrong with that...

The lancer is already a pretty lackluster (damage wise) Weapon. So why the hell did our MAX get stuck with something that is inferior to the Lancer when dual wielded? While TR/NC got actual useful AV weapons.

I've been playing extensively with the Vortex since it was released and let me tell you, the only thing that have kept me going is:

It sounds way more powerful than it is, even if the actual effect on the enemy is about a pixie farts worth, it sounds and feels like you are laying waste to your enemies (The only enemies you can lay waste to are MAXes) Any other vehicle can drive out of line of sight before you can finish killing them.

Let's list the pro's and cons of the Vortex vs the Lancer

Pros:
Charges slightly faster than the Lancer
Has a huge ammo supply
Can be hip fired so you can remain relatively mobile while shooting (but you're still a MAX.. so not that mobile).

Cons:
Beyond 200 meters, you will lose out to the Lancer in damage, by a lot mind you. At 300 meters, it takes 5 additional fully charged shots to kill a Prowler from the front. (from 8 to 13 with dual)
Your Velocity when firing uncharged shots is atrocious
You actually have a slower fire rate than the Lancer when firing uncharged
You have no zoom
You cannot hit infantry within 5 meters
You are a (most likely) Heavily Certed MAX unit, which has a resource cost and cooldown timer, yet your firepower equals that of 1 HA, except you don't have LMG, Pistol or C4 to switch to. Your health pool matters very little because stock infantry still autowins any duel with you because of the atrocious damage.
You cant hold a charge, almost instantly firing off into space after reaching full charge.


The whole point of bringing MAX AV is that you can out DPS an engineer repairing a sunderer.. You cannot do this with the Vortex, it is therefor utterly pointless for anything but killing enemy MAXes, Getting assists and Kill stealing, because if you actually manage to kill someone with this where you did all the damage, it was not skill, it was your opponent being asleep or not knowing that 'smoke out of your vehicle = Bad'

Hell you can't even use it to snipe vehicles at range, because you have damage degradation which removes what would have been it's one saving grace.


Come on SOE, you made the same mistake with the lancer and you had to buff it SEVERAL times. You will have to do the same thing again, why do you insist on shafting VS? Is our money not good enough for you?

I really like the dual Vortex, it feels like something the VS MAX should have and I love having the ability to be a long-range anti-armor sniper.

Pretty lackluster against infantry (Requires 2 charged + 2 uncharged direct hits to kill), but it's brutal against MAXs and vehicles.
That being said, the damage falloff feels a bit aggressive, especially for something that's meant to be a long-range weapons, and the guns themselves are incredibly buggy to absolutely no surprise.

Took a quick video of their use earlier, sadly I didn't get to fight much armor because there was infantry all over us, but I was mostly taking that to highlight some of the issues with it.

I'm enjoying the vortexes quite a bit. It can certainly kill enemy maxes from a good range which is a very interesting and unique ability I like.

However, a fully charged shot takes about the same time to refire as it takes for a comet to fire off two shots then reload. This means it has about maybe 2/3 - 3/4 the dps against armor, but I will say that the shots are much easier to hit than a comet, making it a much better long range shooter against tanks. And shooting from long range will certainly help you live longer against vehicles that can kill you in two or three hits.

An infantry damage buff would certainly be nice, but the max punch works pretty well with 2 or 3 uncharged shots.

As a dedicated max player, I don't regret spending my certs on them, but that might just be because I hate tanks with a passion, especially tank zergs. I believe they can also fire behind the safety of a 1 way barrier unlike the comets which can be useful against said zerg. If you want a good reliable anti-vehicle weapon for your max, I would recommend them.

I can actually see the advantage to the single shot per magazine setup- yes, I'd like to keep the same DPS, but there's a sort of 'flow' you can get with the two single shot arms- "Pew...Pew...Pew...Pew..." that gets interrupted by the 2-shots without a reload. It's a bit more stuttery than the single shots- "PewPew...Pew..Pew.PewPew..."

I think they could be a little less terrible against infantry, but other than that I love my Vortexes. Had a half hour fight at Indar Comm tonight on Waterson where I absolutely obliterated with them. Anything that came near that hill or tried to come up it got blasted. They really show their power when the enemy has to cross open ground and you have a clear line of sight.

Them vanu max lazors scare the crap out of me when I get hit with them. Regardless of vehicle and they hit quite hard...

They have the lowest DPS of all the 3 new MAX weapons, so no, they dont hit quite hard.