Make team members responsible for Hackers in their squads

Reason being,

One man exploiting and hacking gives not only him success but also his squads success. If you see it happening and do nothing about it because "he's not hurting me" then you are just a liable for exploiting as the offender.

I don't affiliate myself with outfits that are known for hacking and when I see it going on in my group, I address it. If it doesn't get taken care of or I get called a "noob" because I don't hack, then I leave the outfit.

SOE if you want to increase the hate for hackers, you need to enforce the fact that it is everyone's responsibility to report it, not just the opposing team.

It will not affect your success, it will only help to create a community that will govern themselves more strictly.

Here is an example of the most successful MMO ever doing this:
http://wow.joystiq.com/2010/02/04/ensidia-temporarily-banned-for-exploits/

I expect hate to flow in this posting- but my intent is to have a real discussion on how this will affect the community and if it is feasible to implement.

So that guy who auto joined my squad that I can't see and have no clue is hacking should get me banned?

Depends, how obvious was it, how long did you play with said person. How close did you play.

If you benefited from him hacking, then yes.

Then people may as well quit this game, I see hackers all the time. Most are not a big problem because they are hiding the fact well, but if you start banning groups for the acts of one. Why would I want to pay for this game or even play it?

While some hacks are easier to see (speed hacks, wall clipping etc), some are impossible unless you're on the receiving end (aimbotting). Not to mention that a raid based guild using an exploit to achieve world first can't get an equal treatment with random joe who joined a random platoon to play for an hour each day.

You don't need a squad of hackers to mess a good base fight. You just need one guy to spoil the fun for hundreds, both attackers and defenders.

Why didn't you report it? Why did you continue to play with said person after you knew he was hacking? You are just as responsible for the communities "acceptance" of the practice as long as you do nothing about it.

I think banning the hacker would be enough.
If they cant find hackers, what makes you think they can ban their squadmates?

I think the biggest misconception from OP's point of view is that he is thinking in mmorpg terms, where even exploiters and hackers need a clan/outfit, which is by no means the case in this game.

• A BR10 shooting people inside the enemy spawn room does not need an outfit to do it, nor is he using his main account if he has any brain power.
• A BR1 team killing vital equipment and facilities, like sunderers or the assault team medics does not need an outfit.

lol... If you're willing to take the risk. Enjoy!

I'd like to see your opinion after i give an example.

Liberator
Pilot: Hmm, lets call him Liege
Gunner: I suppose Skwurting sounds like a good name

Lets say both of these completely made up fantasy characters flew together exclusively, everyday in a Liberator. Lets say Skwurting is the gunner with an aimbot, racking up 2,000 kills per day, over the course of 3 months. Liege, our pilot in this completely made up fantasy example earned 84+ Battleranks, and 40,000+ certs by piloting with a known hacker in tow, with full knowledge of the gunner activities.
If one day this hacker was to be banned, would it be so objectionable to ban the pilot as well?

Because you don't know he is hacking, i mean he is not shooting me to know he is a Aimbot. I don't follow my team mates around to see it they are ESP hacking or walking thru walls, or using who know what. And be fore you say well the other side said he was a hacker, why should I believe them over him?

In the end you have no way of proving I knew or any one knew they where playing with a hacker, so you are just punishing the innocent. And since you want to punish innocent people, why not ban any one who was fighting at the same base as he was no matter the team they are on, because they should have reported him as well.

This isn't a MMORPG.

Uh?

We have to possible scenarios:
1- SOE is able to find hackers, hence they can also easily ban them, and there is no need to ban their teammates.
2- SOE is NOT able find hackers, in this case, how could they ban their teammates?

Pick the one you prefer, it still doesnt make any sense.
I do report hackers, especially on my faction, but im not payed to be SOE's cop in game.

That is a different story, since you stated he knew his gunner was a hacker. So yes he should be banned.

All well and good in a game with 25 people in the same room blasting a raid boss.

But considering on how extremely unlikely it is for someone to have a visual on their whole platoon and pay attention enough to notice all but the most obvious of hacks is an unrealistic expectation. If I notice someone doing an obvious hack I report and let outfitmates know. They'd do the same and that person will be removed from platoon/outfit. But most subtle hackers won't be caught by most players. Especially when not directly on the receiving end of it.

Even with the not-so-subtle hacks, you can't expect everyone to see and report them. There's simply no fair way to implement this. Some guy using aim assist in my squad won't be as obvious or apparent to me as it is to the guys paying more direct attention to and getting killed by him. I should not be punished for not noticing. Who's to decide the criteria in a game like this for who's "responsible" for reporting a hacker? Is it the squad leader, who's likely busy managing 12 people? Is it the platoon leader who's managing 42 people? Is it the grunt who's most focused on the enemy in this game with lower TTK than he is the guy in another building behind him? Even with the not-so-subtle hacks, you can't expect everyone to see and report them. Simply too much happening on screen for most players.

Not to mention the rift this would cause with new players and experienced outfits. Why take risks with new players when you could inadvertently get your outfit mates banned? Why let anyone under battlerank XX join our squad since they're more likely to be another hacker than some battlerank XX?

This game isn't as static as a lot of the ones that can and do use something like this.

I do understand this fact. Maybe it's just me--this game becomes boring really fast without squads/outfits. The occasional hacker that gets on BR1 and screws stuff up is only going to do it for as long as he is amused. What motivation would said hacker even have to join an outfit/squad?

This actually came up because I had an outfit mate last night doing this crap. I seen him lag/teleporting- I let him know he should probably reboot, he blew me off- Later I saw him drive a sunderer under the crown to post it at a strategically vulnerable point on the opposite side. -- I addressed it again, first with the individual (who basically said **** Noob) then the platoon leader and it's still working it's way through the outfit. If I find I don't have an outfit tomorrow (this guy is beloved by the outfit) then I guess I'll have my answer.

If cheating is "allowed" its an outfit made of losers, leave it ASAP. Why would you want to stay in such an outfit in the first place?
If you'll find yourself without an outfit, you'll get into a better one

It's not "allowed" per-say, there was no leadership on that could make the decision... er.. the leadership that WAS on was unwilling to make the decision without deferring to a higher authority.

Hate drama, I get enough of it IRL.

That's absolutely hilarious.

Given that at least 90% of the hackusations in this game are completely unfounded, this just would not be enforceable in any meaningful way.

How the **** am I supposed to know the guy next to me has ESP? Or aimbot? He's not shooting at me, he's just a good player. Even his opponents can't even be slightly sure; a first person kill cam might give you an idea, but that -still- won't do it for sure.

If I play during peak hours on a Saturday for say 8 hours, I'll get accused of hacking more than once per hour. I don't hack. These people would be a nightmare to their own team. 'OFMG SQUAD LEEDR! WAHT U PLAYN AT!? YOU MUZT KICK ALPHA 3, HIS K/D IS OVER 0.5 AND HE JUST KILLED A GUY WITH A SHOTGUN!!!!!!1111111oneone'

Same as a legit player would... but do not mistake script kiddies that hack to win, with script kiddies that hack to troll.
Both might be subhuman filth worthy of castration and having their genetics stricken from the genepool... but they are different >.>