LMG changes, YAY or NAY? vote!

So we should nerf the Anchor?

NERF EVERYTHING!!!!!! I wanna see this game only having pillow grenades and blanks!

DO YOU REALISE THAT LMG CHANGES ARE ABOUT BUFFING UNDER USED LMG!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?

RHINO, POLARIS, EM1, BUTCHER

but my pillow grenades......

I'm also pretty sure the general consensus has been that those changes were fine. No one was mad about most of the LMG changes. In fact I've said many times already that the changes going live tomorrow would be fine.

Vanu players could piss and moan all they like about them they would still win more often than not.

Well this shows something is up with VS HAs, it is hard to say it is 0.75 ADS on LMGs from it though.

it shows that there are more people playing VS heavy than NC or TR and that the orion is also used more. To me those two pictures are worthless.

The K/D ratio of the NC and TR HAs are very close - which is what is to be expected with a large group of random players (assuming all things are more or less balanced).

The VS HAs K/D is significantly better (which give the huge size of the data set is unlikely to be due to randomness) - which shows something is happening, it is impossible to say from that it is 0.75 ADS (or anything else) though.

no, this shows nothing at all, look at the AF-19 merc, that ****'s got over a million more kills than the VS/TR carbines. With your logic it should be looked at because 'something is up'. bro.

The Merc has the least kills. But that's not really the issue.





Again it is about the K/D ratio of HAs, TR 0.87 NC 0.89 VS 1.0 now given those are from 3+ million kills and 4+ million deaths they are pretty solid and the VS HA one is way out.

It shows that for some reason VS HA are definately performing significantly better than TR or NC, it doesn't show why, but it does show they are (or were anyway).

It you look at most of the other classes, the K/D ratios are all very similar, the only odd ones are VS HA and VS MAX overperforming and possibly NC LA underperforming.

The fact that the LMG changes have been scrapped is a testament to the explosive reaction of VS players whenever anything OP of theirs is challenged by the playerbase.

With the exception of the Magrider, PPA and ZOE....

i simply wanted the changes to go live because of 2 reasons:
1. i wanted the people to see that the will die to the same weapons as before even while 0,75ads is gone.
2. i am sick of pressing "whats new" and there are 10 new "nerf 0,75ads" (but whats really meant but they are most of the time to lazy "nerf Vanu 0,75ads lmgs") --> and by the way, im not sure that all those sobbing people even know that there are 0,75ads weapons for all factions

Of course I tried aiming better. But the Orion users do their tango adad and get easy kills.

You should really be comparing it to the carv and gauss saw. Since they are default weapons. So the vs are crying river tears because if you remove .75 ads then their default weapon is not as good as a weapon that costs certs to acquire. You guys are smoking crack.
Somehow the vs was able to get a buff out of a nerf.

Cmon already. Even I know vs bs when I see it.

No, the merc is sitting at a nice 3mill according to that picture above but that's a fact.



No matter what, that picture means that more good players are playing VS heavy and more NEW players are flocking to NC/TR (NC being the PS2 poster boy) It shows that better players who can actually aim are playing the Vanu heavy class.

It's crazy that better players have better stats than bad (or worse) players. It just dumbfounds me.....

At the very least they should buff the weaker LMG's....

Er...

Trac-5 = 3,237,013 kills
Solstice = 3,086,115 kills
Merc = 3,085,137 kills

Merc has the lowest kills of the faction specific carbines, not the highest, it is the NS carbines that have less.

I have literally no idea where you get the Merc having more kills, it has less.

VS only players do like to trot out this old chesnut, but there is just NO evidence to support it.

Not only when we look at the NS LMG does it show NO evidence that VS HAs are superior players (at all).

301003 - TR NS-15M | Q4 KPH | Daily Average: 40.77
301002 - NC NS-15M | Q4 KPH | Daily Average: 39.65
301001 - VS NS-15M | Q4 KPH | Daily Average: 39.05



But why would ONLY VS HAs and VS MAXs happen to be significantly superior players.......... and yet VS LAs, VS Infs, VS Medics and VS Engi's are exactly the same quaility players as the NC or TR?



It is a complete NONSENSE that VS have superior players, it is an even biggere NONSENSE that VS happen to only have sigificantly superior players that ONLY PLAY HAs and MAXes!

All the evidence suggest VS TR and NC players all have the same average skill distribution, but something is going on (or went on) with VS HAs and MAXs!

"...look at the AF-19 merc, that ****'s got over a million more kills than the VS/TR carbines..."

What are you even talking about? Please take another long look at that picture, specifically the carbines (just to be clear, those are the AF-19 Merc, Solstice VE3 and TRAC-5) and tell me in your reply which has the most kills, the 2nd most kills and least kills.

Also for your "there are more people playing VS heavy than NC or TR and that the orion is also used more":
http://ps2oraclestats.com/?stat=kpu&weapon1=78&weapon2=79&weapon3=80


As you can clearly see, there are way more kills/user for the orion, so your assumption that it got most kills because it is used more is just factually wrong.

"No matter what, that picture means..."
Translation: I dont care about facts, I instead just create a BS explanation that makes me appear superior and the others inferior.

Im gonna call Poe's Law on you as I cant decide if you are trolling or just that obnoxious.

Thats not how balancing works.... When something is overperforming you either nerf the weapon/s in question or buff the counterpart weapons, nerfing and buffing in compensation for the nerf would be completely counter productive.

You are everything wrong with forumside, you ignore everything that is said to you. You compare like weapons. The Orion, MSWR, and Anchor are the CQC LMGs ergo you compare those. Simple. The VS being annoyed has absoutely NOTHING to do with a weapon "not being as good as a weapon that costs certs to aquire." Not even remotely close. Furthermore the purposed LMG changes were actually a buff at the end of the day, so you have no idea what you are talking about.

Except the Orion ISN'T overperforming. Bad players just think it is. If you simply remove ADS speed from the Orion is becomes a STRICTLY worse MSWR, period. There is no arguing this. That is bad. Because the Orion has 0.75 ADS speed it actually gets a few stat decreases that the MSWR and Anchor don't get. The compensation is actually bringing the Orion in line with those weapons if you remove the reason to begin with.