Lets End the Nerf Culture.

I'm not crying. Nerf the Banshee a little, if it'll appease the VS and NC. I still have my Rotary. Beside, PPA needed a little tweaking.

"Little tweaking"? If its little tweaking, In happy that Banshee will get "a little" nerf too.

Just like the Banshee, Pounders, Prowler main cannon and the Ravens also are in need of a "little tweaking".

You can't always buff weapons or parts of the game to counter things that are so massively out of whack. A good example is the Banshee - what would you buff to make that something other than the single biggest OP item in the game?

Some things are broken and need fixing. Sorry TR but your farm animal is about to be chained up. Deal with it.

Yeah, I am afraid Ravens will get nerfed, but I see it this way, using lock ons with Mags are useless, even with multiples users.
They have greater mobility.

"farm". i know it could kill infantry with 4 shots, and it best all around weapon (lack of AA but still, better then shotguns). i see some players using it inside Bio-Labs, IMHO Falcons way better at this range. Anyway, NC MAX has only shotguns - and every victim blaming you for using...

What?
You think VS pistols are good?

Snipers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...PER&sortcolid=-1&sortasc=true&rowsperpage=250
If you take a good look, you'll find that they all have the exact same stats....

As for shotguns, its pretty much the same
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...emi&sortcolid=-1&sortasc=true&rowsperpage=250

SMGs.
http://ps2oraclestats.com/?stat=kph&weapon1=29001&weapon2=28001&weapon3=27000

Carbines
http://ps2oraclestats.com/?stat=kph&weapon1=7211&weapon2=7170&weapon3=7190
http://ps2oraclestats.com/?stat=kph&weapon1=7214&weapon2=7193&weapon3=7169


Pistols:
http://ps2oraclestats.com/?stat=kph&weapon1=15&weapon2=21&weapon3=2
http://ps2oraclestats.com/?stat=kph&weapon1=301102&weapon2=7412&weapon3=7413



LMGs:
http://ps2oraclestats.com/?stat=q4kpu&weapon1=80&weapon2=7236&weapon3=7276
http://ps2oraclestats.com/?stat=kph&weapon1=7277&weapon2=7278&weapon3=7234
I will admit that TR LMGs need some buffs though, but only if other faction ARs are brought in line.

ITT: Power creep general

You are too late. The Banshee has been confirmed by Higby to have a nerf coming. That goes for the Ravens (The annoying laser guided NC max rockets, Think I got the name wrong).


Basically the way I read this thread was "Welp, PPA got nerfed, Lets go ahead and end these nerfs before the Banshee gets its savage beating from the nerf bat."

Going by your profile picture I assume you main TR (Doesn't matter either way, As this will be directed to everyone who does it), Don't try to post a "stop the nerfs" thread just because you know your faction is next on the list.

you comparing 1 generation with 2

Oh no...VS isn't top in all the categories and everyone is relatively even. What shall we do? Here's what I'm going to do: hit play, grab my infiltrator class, lay down some claymores, and pop some people in the head with my RAMS.

..... What? Are 2 different people with the same name posting? Nope... So... Wow...

http://ps2oraclestats.com/?stat=kph&weapon1=27001&weapon2=28001&weapon3=29001 Nothing exceptional there.

I'm just really tired about VS complaining how they have crappy weapons and no good weapons.

I'm really tired of Every faction complaining they have crappy weapons and no good weapons. I mean, if you listened to some TR, VS, and NC guys, you would think that Mag was useless, deploy was useless, more DPS somehow hurts the prowler, Shield is useless on Vanguard, Ravens apparently suck, and they'd pretty much twist every faction advantage against each other. And then their are the forumers who cry nerf when other factions have something good, but say that factions are supposed to be "asymmetrically balanced" when the nerf hammer inevitably goes after their good weapons. I'm all for asymetrical balance, but could you at least apply it to all factions?

Kinda like what I've seen quite a few Vanu do with the claymore. You can't appease anyone. I've played Vanu and you guys have good weapons. The Orion is an amazing LMG, but I'm not calling for it's nerf. I'll counter it with my Rhino and MSW. The V10 and XM98 are great snipers. Am I calling for a nerf? No, I'll just bore into your head with my RAMS. I'm not calling for buff or nerfs.

V10 and XM98 are exactly the same as the other faction's snipers. Though great is a pretty loose term, so it could just mean that you've played games with bad snipers, or that you just like their sounds better. Orion is good, but I counter with Anchor. TR LMGs need a buff.

They are useable. In the hands of a good sniper, both are effective.

Just like other faction equivalents. VS BASR are if anything, a little worse due to the BA animation taking up more of the screen. However, that is only a little difference, so I digress.

The animation can be worked around, especially with the straight-pull bolt. (what I use on my RAMS, works like a charm). Even then it is a very minute hindrance.