Lets assume that Alerts = Matches.

So in other words a veiled/slight personal attack without any proof to back up the statement. That's what I figured. Here's a little advice, never attack the person you are debating directly, only the discussion and the facts. Use counter facts if needed. I've never tried to claim the VS were OP and you knew it.

Since you like to cop an attitude.

"You can draw conclusions when you have ALL the data, which we do. And even if you were right, something would have to be done to address the population imbalance. The cause being treated, not the symptom."

It's implied even if you don't want to admit it considering it is following me bringing up balance issues in relation to populations. Run along now.

Dude..... stop BSing people.

YOURE GOING TO NEED TO SHOW ME WHERE IT SHOWS OVERPOP (since it doesnt show pop).

This is exactly why you should use server smash instead of live. The ocean is to big to study. So you take what you want to study and put it in a fish tank so you can get a controlled, close look at it.

If you look at alert statistics, I'll bet the majority of wins go to the faction with a population advantage of more than 5-10%. As soon as population becomes a factor, weapon power/overpower have much less to do with it. Numbers win more than anything else in this game, it has been proven time and time again. Yes, teamwork, skill and coordination are also factors, but population can and does over ride all of these at times.

For this reason, server smash is much more pertinent to your question then the live servers. Server smash bouts have much more evenly balanced populations, allowing in much more accurate data to be gathered.

I've deleted all my 3 characters and started over at some point in the past. Otherwise all 3 would have been BR100s long ago.

Yes, TR is my "main" character, I like TR theme the most. It would be easy enough to jump the OP-train, but I'm not a FOTM player. Notice my accuracy, and Score/min on VS and then compare it to my TR. See the difference?

I speak out of experience because I know how VS plays, and how TR plays. You actually helped me prove my point and make my previous statement more legitimate by trying to lessen the impact of my words. Badly played.

Some VS fanboys say that the stats prove nothing, when those stats work against them yet you ask for stats when I offer none. Interesting.

I don't have to pull any stats, I can't be bothered to. I only speak of what I see every single day on the battlefield. If you want stats, they were posted by numerous posters in the Gameplay section of the forums. If you haven't seen them already, look them up they're easy to find.


EDIT: Here, I've found stats for you...

Connery 695 | 44.2% 302 | 19.2% 516 | 32.8% 60 | 3.8% 1573
Miller 767 | 47.5% 353 | 21.9% 453 | 28.1% 41 | 2.5% 1614
Cobalt 739 | 46.3% 418 | 26.2% 372 | 23.3% 67 | 4.2% 1596
Emerald 691 | 42.7% 385 | 23.8% 446 | 27.5% 97 | 6.0% 1619
Briggs 487 | 31.6% 401 | 26.0% 615 | 39.9% 37 | 2.4% 1540


Owned?

Now other than the obvious VS wins a lot of alerts, what invariably OP thing is causing this massive imbalance?

lol I'm assuming those accounts were F2P only? I can't imagine myself deleting my account that I've sunk money(and time ) into
and lessen the impact of your words? nah. I am just simply pointing out theres bias in your statement.

VS doesn't need nerfs, the TR could use a few buffs on some things though. As someone who has played this game since beta as VS and also plays TR(and NC sometimes) I view the problem as player generated, and a mostly aesthetic design issue with VS making them less fun to fight. There is alot of tactics and guns all 3 empires can easily exploit for an advantage if they choose to, VS just has players who know their factions strengths and when to use them. On emerald I've seen VS form lancer nests, mass lasher pushes, AV vortex squads dropped behind enemy sundies, and many other viable tactics used. How many mass MCG HA Pushes have you seen? How many phoenix nests? How many raven max squads dropped out of galaxies? I've rarely seen those things playing on either of the other factions.

you just shot yourself in the foot, if VS has something making it OP, why does VS not win on Briggs? there is no logical explanation for that, since you guys repeatedly stated that no faction should be seen as playing "better" or "worse" skill-wise

so TR and VS are OP, NC is UP? right? so laughable

So quick question for anyone active in this joke of a thread. Do you even remember what the topic of the thread is? I would point out that you do not. This thread was about Alerts (no idea past that since once again Scr1n didn't actually post any kind of discussion topic). I digress, you people are arguing about topics that...shouldn't even be in this thread. You are arguing about faction imbalances, VS OP/UP, TR OP/UP, NC OP/UP...yet none of those topics or debates should be had here. This topic (as I'm lead to believe) is supposed to focus on Alerts and some easy/vague facts about them. This has nothing to do with balance or statistics or anything, as the OP didn't state that it should

Basically, your post in thread should look like this.-

Each empire has a wins percentage and a loss percentage.
Yeah, that's how statistics work.

Who wins the most alerts in total(All servers combined)?
I like how you added "all servers combined" so Briggs wouldn't ruin your theory. Anyways, VS.

Who wins the most alerts per server?
Depends on server, kinda obvious.

What do win percentages say about population & balance?
Nothing as they are much too vague, this is just basic common scientific knowledge.


Something along those lines, but with your witty remarks. Nowhere should we talk about who is OP or UP or nit pick specific factions VS or otherwise.


Oh and last but not least, cut it out with the bickering ladies, you're both very pretty so let it go and be productive.

It is just strange, that if this is the case that it is happening across almost all servers.

On Briggs is there a massive TR Zergfit?

Are they they equal to the VS Zergfits on that server? And if so then we're back to it not being Zergfits being the reason VS alert domination across almost all servers.

It proves something exists though.

You don't get such similar stats across almost all the servers for absolutely NO reason at all.



Now I honestly don't know what it is, but it is something, it is not like VS have won alerts like this always, it has only really been in the last balance period since SOE/DBG basically gave up on PS2 for get it working on the PS4.


Connery 695 | 44.2% 302 | 19.2% 516 | 32.8% 60 | 3.8% 1573
Miller 767 | 47.5% 353 | 21.9% 453 | 28.1% 41 | 2.5% 1614
Cobalt 739 | 46.3% 418 | 26.2% 372 | 23.3% 67 | 4.2% 1596
Emerald 691 | 42.7% 385 | 23.8% 446 | 27.5% 97 | 6.0% 1619
Briggs 487 | 31.6% 401 | 26.0% 615 | 39.9% 37 | 2.4% 1540


The interesting thing with those figures as well it that it is not just VS getting very similar figures across the server, but NC and TR are as well (although not with the sheer consistancy of the VS figures).

Now as I have said before I don't think you can directly draw balance issues from such figures, but equally to suggest that it is just a big coincidence is possible, but highly unlikely. To suggest the VS have Uber players has been endlessly and catagorically proven untrue, so it is something else.



Once upon a time the TR were in the VS current position alert-wise - so what is your logic for why they use to be there and are not now?

That's the intriguing thing.

VS/TR/NC player performance is much of a muchness (in the context of kills, aKPH, K/D etc.).

Yet the alert % wins for VS are just so consistant across the servers (with one outlier - does the TR have dominant Zergfits on that server or something else?), and indeed are relatively (albiet less) so for NC and TR.



It would be interesting to look at the statistical data from when the TR were dominating Alerts and now when VS are and to see if anything is the same between the two situations.

the Alerts thing is really strange, i remember a year and a half or so ago TR used to dominate Alerts on Miller, but the population of TR decreased constantly and big Zergfits from TR were closed or abandoned, just like from NC (which i was in a Miller alert just yesterday which NC won, while there was a 33/33/33 pop on Indar, hell of a lot of fun, thanks FRMD)

So because VS is - for whatever reason 8.3 percent worse than TR one one server in terms of winning alerts, one should neglect that Vanu destroys everyone else on 4 out of 5 servers?!

I shot myself in the foot... Good God, people here...

No, my accounts aren't F2P. Yes, I've spent money on PS2. How does that influence anything and how does it give more or less legitimacy to my words about game balance?

Items that you've spent money on persist even once you've deleted and recreated your character. And I don't know, I just wanted to start over once I've handled the basics of the game.

Either VS needs nerfs, or TR needs buffs - I don't care as long as they're made even.

VS wins most alerts, it's easier to play VS (the difference I personally notice whenever I play my VS toon). It's not just one thing that is OP when compared to NC and TR. It's several things.

1) most precise weapons
2) fastest reload times
3) .75 ADS on HA weapons
4) 1, 2 and 3 all allow for better mobility so: 4) more mobility

Briggs simply lacks players, I bet one or two squads that know what they are doing and act fast are enough to win.

http://www.therebelscum.net/world-population/?world_id=25&zoom=3

Is that why your VS char has a worse K/D ratio than your TR char?

also you forgot to mention that VS has
1) worse recoil patterns (almost all weapons have left/right shake)
2) smaller magazines
3) lower damage/mag than TR o NC
4) the slowest and least DPS MBT

if VS is so OP, why isn't your VS char performing vastly superior to your TR char?
especially since the OP 0.75 ADS VS LMGs should help you getting a better K/D ratio than your miserable 0.5 ADS LMG TR char, or are you just bad in spandex?

This is what happens when people who think they know how to read statistics reads statistics.
You cant drawn a conclusion about balance based on alert wins alone. Populations sure, but not weapon/vehicle balance.

Lets pretend they introduced a new faction that only had 100 health and really bad weapons.
But 99% of everyone played that faction, so they won 100% alerts.
Would they still be the best faction because they won all the "matches"?

On Miller (for example), VS wins most alerts because they have the largest coordinated outfits on voice that constantly tries to win all alerts, driving the % up.
It doesent matter if they have the weakest/strongest weapons/vehicles.