Lets assume that Alerts = Matches.

Discussion in 'PlanetSide 2 Gameplay Discussion' started by Scr1nRusher, Sep 1, 2015.

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  1. ATRA_Wampa-One

    And if you looked at Emerald you will understand why it's special as well (hint: /y GINYU FORCE RULES).

    So that's now two servers that are special.
  2. Scr1nRusher

    Keep handwaving.
  3. Goretzu

    Is it the case that all the other servers just have VS (and only VS) Zergfits?

    And if so why is that the case?

    Connery 695 | 44.2% 302 | 19.2% 516 | 32.8% 60 | 3.8% 1573
    Miller 767 | 47.5% 353 | 21.9% 453 | 28.1% 41 | 2.5% 1614
    Cobalt 739 | 46.3% 418 | 26.2% 372 | 23.3% 67 | 4.2% 1596
    Emerald 691 | 42.7% 385 | 23.8% 446 | 27.5% 97 | 6.0% 1619
    Briggs 487 | 31.6% 401 | 26.0% 615 | 39.9% 37 | 2.4% 1540
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  4. Ronin Oni

    To... what...... end....??

    This seems a meaningless and pointless discussion topic, unless you want to talk about population imbalances, which you don't need to specifify alerts for, just any and all live gameplay.
  5. Shanther

    None of that proves that any sort of real faction imbalance exists. I am going to apply your logic to World of Warcraft servers for a moment.

    The Illidan server has a population of 20507 people. Of those 19958 are Horde and only 549 are Alliance. Following this threads logic, the Horde are OP and need to be brought in line. Conversely the Sargeras is the exact opposite.
  6. BlueSkies

    Actually the thread is about what can alerts tell us about population and balance (which is still nothing btw). People bring up SS as it can be utilized in a similar manner (still poorly, but better than alerts).

    And the thread is being attacked (I play all 3 factions fwiw) by players because it is a poorly constructed premise for analysis and discussion.
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  7. ATRA_Wampa-One

    Nothing to handwave. GOKU wins alerts on Emerald. We win alerts for VS more than the other two factions since we main VS, but when we play TR or NC we win them alerts the vast majority of time. This isn't even in dispute, just ask reddit.
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  8. Ronin Oni

    You've apparently never seen TRAF or AOD
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  9. ATRA_Wampa-One

    I can't speak to why VS on Connery, Miller and Cobalt win the majority of alerts since I don't play on those servers.

    I know VS wins on Emerald because of GOKU, and VS isn't dominant on Briggs but for some reason we're not suppose to talk about that in this thread because it's "special".
  10. Scr1nRusher

    Never said you can't talk about briggs.

    Look at the data.

    VS wins more alerts in 4 out of the 5 servers.
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  11. ATRA_Wampa-One

    And on one of those servers it's because of one outfit. Maybe you should ask someone in that outfit why they win so much?
  12. SavageBacon

    You know what, I'll play along with the original post and follow the strict guidelines set forth by Scr1n:

    The answer to your first two questions is that VS wins the most alerts on aggregate and across most servers. I do find it interesting that you want us to ignore Briggs when that wasn't an original condition of your topic (having trouble following your own topic guidelines?) , but whatever...

    As for what that says about population and balance...

    Population: Nothing since I'm looking at wins and losses and can't look at anything else. For all I know, Faction A won alert 203 on Server X... I don't know the margin of the win or the average cont pops during the alert.

    Balance: You could infer SOMETHING should be done, but without really understanding the causes, you can't really arrive at any recommendations to provide solutions which would bring about the balance.


    And this is where most people are with the discussion now... Rather than creating another unnecessary thread, or more, to define the issues and propose solutions, we're doing it here. Either help the process of defining nebulous ideas into specific problems and finding solutions, which would actually be helpful to the community and devs, or get out of the way...
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  13. Scr1nRusher

    Never said that I want to ignore briggs, and frankly for this type of topic you can't ignore any of the servers.

    What are the most used infantry weapons & most used classes?
  14. ATRA_Wampa-One

    Sadly DA stats is down right now so I can't give you a complete answer.

    I know we pull lots of MAXes, and we have our fair share of HA's but we do stress squad comp and always have medics, engineers, and infils around. All of our members play all the classes, for example I have the most time played with HA but while I have the BG I don't have the HA armor but I do have the Parsec, Infil armor, Eclipse, and LA armor. What class I or any other GOKU play however is way less important than being coordinated and using team work.

    For weapons, we sperg a ton about them on our off site forums and we know what the best weapons in the game are on each faction and use them unless we're chasing directives.

    We also know what the OP weapons are and right now that's only the Betelgeuse (which I have called OP numerous times) and Cyclone.
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  15. Taemien

    Your point would make sense if he had only cherry picked one server. He didn't. He showed all of the servers. Now.. try again, post the pop numbers of all WoW servers. I'll give you a bit of time to do so, or you could recant your statement and save yourself a bit of time.
  16. Shanther

    Think before you speak. My entire point was that you can't draw any balanceconclusions based on the data that is being brought up in this thread. WoW is exactly the same.
  17. HadesR

    I think the BG is the only OP or verging on OP item VS have atm ..

    But I don't think alert wins are down to just the BG being good ..

    Yes people have mentioned how organisation helps, I've mentioned myself how motivation seems to play apart ( VS caring more about alerts than NC / TR )

    But I do think some weapons do play a part and while not winning it themselves they add to it ..

    One example that springs to mind is the Magrider ... Now it's far from OP and isn't the best Tank V Tank MBT out there. But IMO due to it's agility and Spider Mag properties it becomes a great " Infantry assist " tool in the right hands ... Being able to reach places the other tanks can't and thus be able to offer a next degree of overwatch and support for base assaults .. does help alot ..
  18. ATRA_Wampa-One

    One thing to add to this is that it happens most of the time.

    I love the Flare over any other VS LMG including the BG, and for my play style the Solstice (Eclipse) is better than the VX6-7. I'm not alone in that, but I don't want to start listing names of outfit members and what they like since part of the fun of being in GOKU is confusing the hell out of people.
  19. asmodraxus

    Most of the win loss "match" data is irrelevant as a lot of the alerts occur during the off peak hours i.e. how balanced is the population at 3:30 am on Hossin.

    Once you have the peak only alert data across all servers let me know, that way it can be analyzed properly.
  20. Ronin Oni

    And even then it has little relevance honestly.

    On both Connery and Emerald I've seen first hand NC and TR focused on just fighting each other at stalemate fights during alerts, during primetime, because they get "sick" of fighting VS
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