Lets assume that Alerts = Matches.

Each empire has a wins percentage and a loss percentage.

Who wins the most alerts in total(All servers combined)?

Who wins the most alerts per server?


What do win percentages say about population & balance?

First off, that's a bad correlation

Second, there's a ****ton more about who wins how often, and empire balance has a LOT less to do with it, and who plays where, and how well they play a whole hell of a lot more.

http://ps2alerts.com/

Scroll down to the bottom of the homepage for alert statistics.

That VS is more organized and might have a slight population advantage.

If only there was some way to take the variables of differences of organization and population away from VS...

Oh wait, we can since it's called server smash and to a lesser extent farmers league where all signs point to the VS not being OP on either one of those.

Hard to say without all the data since Win / loss % doesn't paint the whole picture ..

Is one faction winning all timezones or do they get more wins within a particular time frame ?
How do populations during the times fluctuate and do they influence the winner ?

etc
etc
etc

Not talking about those.

I'm talking about ACTUAL LIVE SERVER GAMEPLAY

Exactly.

Thats why I want to have/create a discussion about this topic.

Why not?

Why shouldn't we bring server smash and farmer league into the discussion?

Irrelevant since live server gameplay is extremely imbalanced due to POPULATIONS and not actual equipment.

Server Smash is 100% the best metric for empire v empire stats, and AFAIK they show pretty balanced.

Because SS & FL are entirely different & have nothing to do with the topic.

The Topic is Alerts on Live Servers.

The same SS that regularly has issues with populations & drama to a point where they are slowly becoming FIFA?

SS is a Fish tank.

Live Servers are a Ocean.

FTFY.

Where in the OP or even the title did I mention SS or FL?

I'm amazed how a open ended thread is getting derailed by Paranoia.

You're bringing up only live stats which have a ton of variables that all contribute to the results that you're using as a round about way to nerf the VS (since they obviously win more than anyone else p.s. GINYU FORCE RULES!) because that's literally they only posts you make.

The problem is that your "theory" about the VS being OP falls apart the instant you take out the inequities of population and organization, which anyone can do quite easily by simply looking at the results of server smash.

Seriously man, just grow a pair and say you want the VS nerfed because you can't compete with them on NC even though they have superior equipment.

"Open Ended"

"Only talk about this"

yeah, ok....

The problem is you're trying to look at a specific subset of stats to push your agendas YET AGAIN, and trying to shush anyone who shows this other, completely valid and better baseline data that shows otherwise.

I'm truely amazed how you have responded to the thread.

What agenda?

Pretty simple things.

Talking about Alerts.

Wow, someone that only posts about wanting the VS to be nerfed is surprised when someone calls them out on it.

http://imgur.com/a/G0vxN

Here's Emerald's breakdown of alert wins.

VS = 47.8%
TR = 24.6%
NC = 22.3%
Draw = 5.3%

Primetime alert wins

VS = 38.4%
NC = 27.4%
TR = 26.6%
Draw = 7.6%

So cupcake, why do you think the VS win more.

To what end?

We all know what the data says, it's been touted around these forums forever "proving" how VS is OP and needs a nerf yes when VS faces NC in SS, the results paint a different picture.

TR has a couple issues (*cough*FRACTURE*cough*) but it's not quite as bad as people make it out.

There are a few MINOR balance issues in the game, and most of them have been talked about pretty reasonably by a good portion of the people...

then there's this highly vocal upset minority who never S.T.F.U. about stuff that they're blowing way the frack outta proportion.

Absolutely nothing. Trying to draw inferences from a descriptive statistic is... not the best solution.

Explain that to the multiple game companies that do to balance the games.

Such as what blizzard does in Starcraft.