It's clear people are fed up with 0.75ADS, why aren't you removing it from the game DBG?

I didn't say that, I said it becomes a problem when it's stacked with other advantages, such as *okay* accuracy, easy recoil, large magazines, high DPS, and a platform with incredible toughness, for which reduced movement speed is supposed to be a downside.

Im all for removing it, just as long as its removed from all weapons which the Heavy can use.

I would go even further and say it's the game's netcode/lag and the way you barely lose any accuracy while moving that makes them "OP" but I doubt any of that stuff will get fixed any time soon either. It's not even a problem specific to .75 ADS weapons, it is just more pronounced/noticeable on those (or when hipfiring).

.75 ADS on the Orion/Directive is almost fine. but on the NS guns? no way.

i don't mind faction flavor, but NS .75 ADS is too much of an incentive to use weapons that should be secondary to whatever trait the empire has.

that said, .75 on its own is not OP, the lack of drawback is. those guns should get a slightly bigger Bloom to force players into stop-bursting similar to Counterstrike. as it is now, you can microburst on the move... while also moving 50% faster than other players.

i mean, wtf... that's kinda hard to argue with.

microbursting on the move already gets me angry whispers, and that's using .5 ADS guns. i don't even own NS lmgs on this character.

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all the bads got their panties in a bunch.

Really LMGs (and all weapons) should slow down not only ADS, but also standard movement speed.

Someone with a small SMG is of course going to be moving faster than someone with both a LMG and a rocket launcher on their back... regardless of if the weapon is raised or not!

So if you have these weapons in your loadout (not necessarily in your hand) then you should be given a movement penalty. They of course "stack".

Really a HA with a LMG in one hand and a rocket launcher in another should only be moving at the slowest of crawls.

MSW-R starting CoF on the move: 0.35
Orion starting CoF on the move: 0.4
Bloom is equal between the two.

This is just too easy...

I love 75ads. I honestly think ads modifiers are under utilized as a balancing mechanic. There should be much more variety to it, .25, .5, .75, .8, .9, and everything in between.

Weapon classes could have a baseline, with optic being a primary effecting factor (as it is easier to maintain a sight picture through a reflex sight while moving than it is a 12x scope). Modified slightly by class, suit slot, adrenaline pump (more general speed, less ADS or something), and maybe an implant. Different types of weapon attachment could play to ADS, like a forgrip that makes you move faster, but increases your 1st shot recoil or something. There is a lot of room in there for muh dress up simulator.

The Orion performance numbers are skewed. Specifically because:

1) The best performing VS HA players have the option to use Betelgeuse (which has the #1 Uniques in the game among BR100 and Q4 BR, #1 Kills-Per-User, #1 Kills-Per-Hour, etc.). So Orion users are stacked with the lower performing VS HA users.

2) Orion is a default LMG for VS HA. So (again) Orion users are stacked with the lower performing VS HA users.

source: http://ps2oraclestats.com/monthlystats/ (sort by LMG: All BR, Q4, BR100)

Oh look, it's the Betelgeuse. That silly Directive Reward Weapon. Good thing SOE/DBG knows how to balance and made all the Directive Weapons across Factions/Classes as equally underpowered novelty guns. Oh wait, SOE/DBG can't balance things... oops:
http://ps2oraclestats.com/?stat=q4kills&weapon1=1894&weapon2=7254&weapon3=7236

SOE/DBG Devs doesn't design for most its playerbase. Think of them as a self-interest focused mod community.

why?

seriously no other LMG than the Betelgeuse overperformed over it's counterparts, it has nothing to do with the 0.75 ADS

but in all sreiousness, do you really want vanu heavys rather run around with an orion that can hipfire better than the MSW-R, if you are so eager to nerf the 0.75 ADS LMGs ADS movement speed? you will have to compensate for that, the orion is allready underperforming slightly as it is, contrary to popular believe, and always has, even before the Betelgeuse release, you'd have to buff it in some other way

Both wrong, the Orion performs worse than the Anchor even if you look at Q4/BR100 stats, before and after the Betelgeuse release

http://ps2oraclestats.com/?stat=q4kpu&weapon1=1894&weapon2=80&weapon3=7236

the lower end users (noobs) are fiktered out with that, since it's only BR 75+

BR75+ is all users who leveled up through all methods. You will still have non-Certed and Worse HA who are at BR75+, who leveled up through other main methods.

if you don't have ANY certs in heavy by BR 75+ than you obviously WON'T ever play a heavy. other wise 75+ is AT LEAST 30k+ certs

then tell me a stat that has been collected over YEARS of planetside 2 on which YOU base that the orion is to strong then...

the 1% of players playing a VS char up to lvl 75 without ever certing into the heavy won't affect the chart, keep it realistic please

also this is also affecting the anchor, it's not exclusive to lvl 75 Orion users, lvl 75 anchor users not knowing how to play HA are pulling it's KPU/KPH down as well

the only thing affecting the chart negatively at the side of the orion would be a HA who is
1) terrible at playing HA,
2) got to lvl 75 without getting practice in aim or the gameplay in general, and
3) never bought ANY top weapon up until lvl 75 (because then the anchor has the same effect of KPH and KPU loss of BR 75 people who don't know their stuff but bought a top weapon, namely the anchor)

i guess the percentage of people that would sum up is about 0.01% of all lvl 75+ BR players on vanu

and just for a fun fact: in Q4 the orion isn't exactly overperforming against the Gauss Saw, and performing EQUAL to the T9 Carv... go figure

I fully agree it's not compensated in a proper fashion,though i wouldn't make it hang over .75ads alone. The NS-15M and NS-11 have a hipfire CoF advantage, the NS-15M has particularly low first shot recoil.

Usually the comparable 652x143 guns available are significantly inferior to the NS alternative except among carbines as the NS-11C is not particularly good:
- NS-11A >>CME > Equinox
- NS-15M > Bull > EM1/Rhino/Polaris
- NS-11C ~> Solstice SF (though T5 AMC is a bit better in that case in its niche)

The NS-11C suffers from low velocity+ no hipfire advantage, which almosts balances it; the NS-15M from a 27rpm penalty...while NS-11A is just a supreme AR which has it all.

Why they didn't just directly copy/port the PS1 movement system and indeed infantry armour system I do not know.

There are more Q4 Uniques using Betelgeuse than ANY OTHER LMG. Those are the Top 75+ VS players, and they are using the Betelgeuse. The Orion is all the guys who have yet to complete the HA Directive: so Orion users are stacked with the lower performing VS HA users.

In addition, not having "any certs" and being not fully certed in HA are different things. I fully expect these lower end 75+ VS players have some certs in HA, but they are probably less certed into HA than the Betelgeuse users. That is what I meant, I apologize for not being clearer on that.

*I* have a BR89 VS... and I don't have the HA Directive complete... and I don't have my HA fully certed. And I am terrible with my VS HA.

This isn't rocket science.

wrong, if that would be the case, once people started using the Betelgeuse, (It was released Aug 4th 2014) the performance of the orion would have suffered, which it didn't, the orion performed straight up worse than the Anchor ever since stats started recording it, and HA switching to the Betelgeuse affected the Orion not in the slightest

The Betelgeuse is overperforming because of the complete package it brings, not because of the 0.75 ADS

it really isn't rocket science, yet it seems to hard to grasp for some people

I just said that those numbers were skewed. I did not say I had a better number.

But if you want to check which non-Directive guns perform the best, check Server Smash results:

http://planetsidebattles.org/match/18
http://planetsidebattles.org/match/19
http://planetsidebattles.org/match/20
http://planetsidebattles.org/match/21
http://planetsidebattles.org/match/22
http://planetsidebattles.org/match/24
http://planetsidebattles.org/match/31
http://planetsidebattles.org/match/41
http://planetsidebattles.org/match/42
http://planetsidebattles.org/match/43
http://planetsidebattles.org/match/44
http://planetsidebattles.org/match/46
http://planetsidebattles.org/match/47
http://planetsidebattles.org/match/48

As I told Naphemil, I'm not talking 0-certed, I'm talking not fully certed. My apologies for not being clearer on that.

The LA1 Anchor players are stacked with the top performing NC HA's because it's the best NC LMG.

LA1 Anchor is also not a gun that is Free for every HA.

As I already said to Naphemil, *I* have a BR89 VS... and I don't have the HA Directive complete... and I don't have my HA fully certed. And I am terrible with my VS HA. And I have *SIX* characters I play. This is not a young game, a lot of terrible players have leveled up to BR75+.

It's overperforming vs. the Gauss Saw and Undperforming vs. the T9 Carv... in that stat.

Compare that to say, this stat:
http://planetsidebattles.org/match/43