Is archer the worst weapon?

Archer is a niche weapon but it's also a great weapon. If you say it barely damages max you're not using it correctly. It's awesome against light vehicles and ESFs too and will kill most infantry with 2 or 3 headshots.

It's not meant to be an all-round use primary, but in the right situation with decent aim it's deadly.

Hi.
And if i use archer ofc i do not care about my kd, because its trash.

I do not understand why you are giving me explanations if the other day ive been using it for several hours. Even when its funny to fire with it, you do not get compensated because its trash... if you do get compensated is because of luck: someone who needed a fast travel with the whale or lib; a ******** that stand still figuring why a engineer is using a huge useless sniper and get killed meanwhile; a brave lighting that received like 50 archer bullets... and that sort of stuff, just luck.
You do nothing, win nothing, kill nothing. There are barely any maxes out there to shoot and the ones that you find just hide all the time with engineers babysitters etc (b-but ur aim is bad... lmao).

Yeah im done trying to discuss with a bunch of trolls that contradict anything you say just for fun.
Meanwhile c4 still 1 click tanks that sometimes need to travel from warpgate -"b-but its ******* balanced to 1 click kill 2 guys that wasted 10' traveling to get on battle from their blind spot". "Archer is useless but you 1 hit max with headshots you are just using it bad xDDDDD".
Why not shut down these forums directly? What a bunch of trolls...

If you are incapable of using the Archer correctly, don't use it. If you are sad about your "wasted" certs, try out weapons in the VR before buying them in the future. And if you want a shoulder to cry on, keep looking, you'll find it somewhere, I'm sure.

Because people here is trying to tell you it's not trash, as long you use it the way it's meant to be used.
Do not go around with the Archer, just equip it if you see a Max, otherwise stick to your carbine.

i like messing around with archer on occasion,
it kills infantry in 2 headshots so it does give you some decent long range capability,
but the new BRs fit that role better,
though spotting a max is always great when using archer, because you know you are about to ruin their day!

side note, now that i have ASP perk for using a shotgun as a secondary on engi it makes an interesting little combo,
archer for long range and max hunting and tickling vehicles, shotgun for general infantry play

And i fire maxes all day getting nothing... YAY im so happy i spent 1k certs on it!
Thanks you for the consolation, i really needed it.

edit: i forgot to say that i could 2 headshots infantry too!!! like if its that easy to do but then i need to learn to play too right?

It does massive damage to Maxes and ESFs

I had a Max taken out by an engineer today packing an Archer. I was down to about 3/4 health after being pinged by sniper a few times - the first headshot took me to less than 1/4 health - and the second shot (which I think was a body shot) - killed me outright.

I regularly snipe ESFs with archer - it doesn't take many hits to make them high tail it.

Well at this point there's no point arguing. The only thing i can say is
GIT GUD
Because to say the archer is bad you must not have a clue about a good chunk of the game.
You must not have a clue about repairing a MAX, because you would see how much damage a MAX takes from archer.
You must not have a clue about playing a MAX, as you would know that you'd be forced to hide or prioritize the kill on the archer to avoid certain death.
You must not have a clue about the vehicles gameplay, to not know how cancerous the archer is, specially when playing harasser.
You must be one of those medics or engineers that never shoot and always have their tool out, as by saying the archer is bad you are also revealing that your aim is bad.

Can you show me how you headshot a player moving non stop at 500m+ with a 500 muzzle speed sniper please?

That doesn't sound like an important target, and would be tough with a regular sniper anyway.

Also, it's 525m/s.

TBH, Archer as AP-weapon sucks and it is super-niche for the rest.

It spits at range a 200 DMG bullet at 525 m/s once every 2 seconds or so and it is subjected to scope sway. It does not kill with 2 HS beyond 150m, which for sniping is not exactly a long distance. I kill regularly beyond 400 m and I am a lousy shot.

The [much cheaper] SASRs kill with 2 HS at ANY distance in less than 0.3 seconds and fly faster (550 m/s), no no sway
The [much cheaper] 1st Gen Battle Rifles kills with 2 HS+1 BS in less than 0.4 seconds and fly faster (600 m/s without HVA), no sway
The [same cost] 2nd Gen Battle Rifles kills with 2 HS at ANY distance in less then 0.4 and fly faster (550 m/s), no sway

Sure you can harass DISTANT Max, but an HA or an LA can do the same when it matters (CLOSE Max) and on top or that, engage easily pretty much everything else that moves.

no

Rhe Archers use case is to small and its to bad in other areas to be a good choice.

You can use it against MAXes (the design reason) but it lacks smaller scopes to using it in doors is lacking.
Against small armor you can as well sue any other infantry weapon. The damage and projectile speed are not realy worth it.
Against heavy armor you can as well use an explosive cross bow because the damage is not even worth noting and can eb used to finish some vehciles at best.
Against Infantry you need 2 HS, but the new BRs do this as well with alot less time consumtion.

I sue it rarely and im yet to find a use case where i say "Oh hey thats realy a good option here.".

Archer <3

But... It's not for the weak...

"Yeah we -infantry-- need c4 to stop vehicles etc."...
Ey guys this weapon that could be good for infantry to stop vehicles and add more variety of choices instead of relying on c4 all the time...
"NO that gun is completly fine even when its really limited to do anything, lets just stick to 1 click c4 xDD".
Ill logic...

I say, nerf c4 and add more options for infantry to stop vehicles/aircrafts.
In the promotional video we can see a guy taking down a whale alone by firing their pilots etc (1:30)

Reallity: you can only c4 if it stops and jumping off a valkyrie? and be lucky its damaged enough to get it down.
Only heavys can do any serious damage with their rocketlaunchers... i have bought some rocketlaunchers and i can say im happy with my buys on there, heavys are serious threat to vehicles/aircraft i say good job on them!.

That video is super accurate - notice at the end, the VS infils just completely ignore the deployed spawn beacon and walk away.

I don't think the Archer needs "balanced" for more damage so much as it needs more options in ammo types... maybe a flak round that automatically explodes near aircraft that does decreased damage to everything else, a pure AP/anti-max round and then a heavy explosive round that does decreased damage to maxes and armor but maybe does 400 to 1.5m indirect or something for doorway farming... bet a lot more people would use it then

In any case, all this talk about one of the best support weapon being bad on a support class is just dumb.
You are not going to be in the first line with the engineer, you're probably not going to shoot more than one or two targets at best if you are not on your mana as you're quite vulnerable, so you're going to get mowed down by any other class that wants to fight you, you are literally the weakest class facing direct infantry combat.
What's the point of having a carabine with you, at that point you could just play light assault, and if you are holding a point, you would probably stick to your spitfire/mana, what's the point of not having the archer as an engineer in case of MAXes destroying your team?
What's the point of not having the archer when you play vehicles?

There are three situations in which you will play engineer, and two of which will require an archer.
1)Vehicles
2)Teamplay
3)Solo play
And for solo play you just shouldn't play engineer if your goal is killing stuff, and not just farming XP, but in that case having weapons able to fight other infantry might make sense to increase your chanses of survival.

Its called feedback, look it up in the dictionary.

Let me see. The fact that there are not only MAXes and any Infantry dude will simply kick your ***? The fact that you can only get down to 4x wich is pointless in CQC combat? Or is it the fact that you always have heavies with Rocket Launchers and Lights with C4 nearby? Or maybe that you can simply trap doorways with tank mines. Cand decide. Fact is i own this weapon and i never came into a situation where i thought "Having my Archer with me now would be great." This gun even sucks for finishing vehicles.

Shooting down lights or other infantry that ambushes you. Being able of some sort of selfdefence.

Didnt know that Engineers where for farming XP. Always thought they are vital to support and get rid of Sundies.