How would you buff the NS-15M to compensate 0.75 ADS being removed off of it?

But he doesn't move faster in all instances. In fact, he only moves faster if both participants are sidestepping while aiming down the sights.

If he's moving forward, he moves at the same speed. With the shield, he moves slower.
If he's moving backward, he's moving at the same speed. With the shield, he moves slow.
If he's sidestepping while not aiming down the sights, he's also moving at the same speed. With the shield, he moves slower.
He doesn't turn faster. He doesn't jump higher, nor crouch lower. He doesn't reload faster. He doesn't switch weapons faster. He doesn't even transition to aiming down the sights faster. (Shield doesn't affect those speeds anyway.)

Against an 0.75ADS carbine or a 0.75ADS assault rifle or a shotgun or a SMG, he sidesteps at an equal pace. With the shield, he moves slower.

So far, the only thing you've demonstrated is that the singleminded obsession with this one small facet of the potential moveset has forced you to completely shut-out other logical argument with other people. You don't have any other arguments besides the fact that this is an infraction to the classic class balance paradigm, and treating it like we've destroyed everything else.

This is so frustrating

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How do you think we feel?

Even if you changed the base speed, 0.75 ADS still would cause problems.

0.75 ADS doesn't mix well with the HA class, and thats the thing.

You have no idea how pissed I'm getting over this when its so F*cking obvious.

LMG's are the weapon type that is the polar opposite of mobility & speed.

The HA Class is designed to be durable & damaging, not moving quickly.

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The HA class has ALWAYS had 3 main problems that are easily solvable:

1) 0.75 ADS being on certain LMG's(Orion,SVA-88,BG,NS-15M)

2) SMG access

3) ES G2G & G2A lock on RL's can be dumbfired.

Whos "we"?

Anyone who has ever argued with you about something.
Also, that was rhetorical.

I really wish people would actually focus on the topic and come up with stuff.

Well stop coming up with bad ideas that end up pissing everybody off.

Well hate to break it to you but the only "bad idea" is the fact that 0.75 ADS was put on some LMG's.

That's the point. There are people who refute the very premise of the argument. To suggest alternate opinion may as well be implicit in accord to that premise, at least to the possibility that "it's fine, if that happens."

You're failing to offer an appealing argument to convince the said people who disagree, all the while engaging them as if you were trying to establish discussion, but refusing to actually say anything of rhetorical substance, instead repeating the same thing you've stated in your first post. It feels like constantly playing ding-dong-ditch and finding only a prepared brochure for something I don't agree with in the first place wedged in the door pane.

Why bother going into a thread about a topic you don't like in the first place?

Or for the sake of the topic even if you disagree, play around with the topic.

That's what me and a few others have been doing. Yet you refute our arguments or alternate suggestions by stating the same thing you did before and refusing to explore the alternate idea with one you come up with on your own besides the same idea you had for the original topic.

Was my OP & thread title simple to understand?

How would YOU buff the NS-15M to compensate for it losing 0.75 ADS.

Bull, Rhino, EM1, Polaris? All of them are very similar, and have comparable recoil and accuracy. Some of them even have the same hip fire accuracy. The only thing they lack is the topic in question, 75% ADS.

Even if this is true for some NS weapons; so what? Why does it mean the quality of gameplay should be sacrificed in favor of faction traits of a non-existing faction?

Hey Scr1nRusher, since you keep ignoring this and made yet another "nerf 0.75 ADS" thread (which as everyone knows is just another nerf VS thread) you still can't answer the following about why 0.75 ADS shouldn't be on any LMG.

#1: At BR100 levels the Orion isn't over performing but instead is about equal with the other empires CQC LMG's.
#2: How can 0.75 ADS be game breaking when 1.0 movement speed hip fire is in the game and isn't breaking the game, so how could moving 25% slower be?
#3: There is no evidence that the VS are OP as a faction because of equipment when you look at the cumulative results of both farmer league and server smash.
#4: There are no 0.75 Assault Rifle or Carbine that is over performing, and they move even faster than a shielded heavy wielding a 0.75 ADS weapon.
#5: The only 0.75 ADS weapon that is over performing is the Betelgeuse which also has a heat mechanic, so therefore it's the heat mechanic that needs further tuning since the weapon it's based on isn't over performing.
#6: 0.75 ADS is balanced on weapons by reducing their accuracy stats or DPS, and the devs have done a good job on that if you look at points #1 and #4.

Holy crap will you stop with the "VS is being victimized" circle-jerk every time 0.75 ADS is brought up?

This thread ISN'T EVEN TALKING ABOUT VS

And yet the entire reason why you have a hard-on against 0.75 ADS is because it's on VS LMG's...

Its actually not because of VS.

More damage per bullet.

oops sorry I meant NS.