How Auraxis would look if the War Stopped and an Empire took over?

Discussion in 'PlanetSide 2 Gameplay Discussion' started by G.O.A.T, May 27, 2014.

  1. Thardus

    I've never really seen much of the religious aspect of the VS. Reverence maybe, and faith in that we should try to follow the Vanu to ascension, but not actual worship.

    As for why the VS and NC fight, I thought it was because the NC, like the TR, feared the consequences of the Vanu technology, whereas the VS consider the possibilities to outweigh the consequences.
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  2. CrashB111

    So a single madman is indicative of an entire people?
  3. Badname707

    Didn't the TR reign for a couple hundred years before the war? Doesn't that mean that conditions must have been ****** before the war began?

    Oh TR propaganda, only a TR would miss how half baked it all is...

    EDIT: Damn, should have read the thread first. They beat me to it...
  4. G.O.A.T

    TR helped humanity advanced in tech rapidly, Fact.


    So scientist would be a leader in TR auraxis.
  5. Posse

    That would be Norway probably
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  6. G.O.A.T

    Read again.

    TR made Earth amazing.

    Of course when they went thru the wormhole the whole situation changed...They had Alien Religous nuts/and a Corporate Army to deal with.
  7. Epic High Five


    Yes but we aren't on Earth in this game

    We're on Auraxis

    Where the TR have been systematically massacring people in a desperate, centuries long power grab stemming from how far and how quickly they broke free from the roots from the TR they left behind

    I'm sure it's very nice on Earth, but up here in space the TR blew up all our peace seekers, declared war on us after placing the blame on us, and then went so far as to attempt to force secret sterilization on anybody suspected of being anti-TR as they were in the process of stripping all rights and freedom from the entire population, citing as justification the very acts of terror that they engineered.

    The TR = the bad guys
  8. Badname707

    Sure, the TR government of Earth formed the first stable, world government, but it sounds like even that is fracturing by the time that they first enter the warp. In the warp, the government starts to crack, resulting in the more authoritarian faction murdering the more moderate leader, and taking total control of both the ships and the early government of Auraxis. PS2 takes place several hundred years after the landing on Auraxis, which would indicate that the TR government had mismanaged the colony, but managed to maintain stability through martial law and suppression. If successful, it would mean that, yes, a government can be maintained through martial might alone.

    The way I see it, that there is a war and has been a war brewing for a long time means that the TR had decayed past the point of recovery, and was no longer necessary. The NC, as a collective of unions, corporations, mercenary groups, anti-government militias etc. would have to run their government on a more decentralized system, (and considering the many disparate elements that make up the NC) probably anarcho-syndicalist in nature. Given that death is no longer a factor and technology is practically unlimited anyways (despite not implanting ourselves to communicate with the Vanu hivemind), that sounds like a pretty decent result, all things considered. The very worst that could happen is that things end up returning to how they had been under the TR, in which case Aurixas just rerolls, and sees who wins.
  9. RaidsRUs



    No, I don't think that's quite right. Give or take 37,000 years, the TR would clearly represent the faction that is most comparable to the Imperium. It's a top-down, undeniably authoritarian group that values obedience and militarism. I'd even wager that the commissar caps are more of a nod to this parallel rather than to the communist states of modern (that is, existing with the last 100 years) earth, even though 40K draws on that same history. The TR forces fighting on Auraxis would represent either the world's Imperial Guard regiment, or more likely, it's Planetary Defense Force.

    NC, therefore, would probably represent a secessionist sect under the employ of merchant houses or even an ambitious Rogue Trader who, out of greed, might refuse to relinquish his control of Auraxis to proper Imperial authorities due to potentially profitable tech (probably those damnable nanites that can apparently do just about anything). RT's in particular are known to maintain their own, private standing armies, although I'm not aware of any instances of them refusing to yield their claim to an entire planet that the Imperium would want, since they are in the employ of said Imperium.

    As far as the Vanu... I'm not entirely sure. My gut reaction would be to say they're Eldar, potentially of the Exodite variety; by the same token, however, they could be ordinary Imperial scientists who have fallen to the lure of foul xenos technology (which would probably be of Eldar manufacture), or they could just as easily be rogue elements of the Adeptus Mechanicus, their ground forces possibly composed of skitarii troops for all I know, based on the similar-yet-distinct nature of their tech when compared with that of the Imperium. Aesthetically, they are more in line with the Eldar, but skitarii have no "standard template" as it were, other than being heavily modified compared to most humans, and could easily represent the army of a Mechanicus outpost fallen to tech-heresy or enamored of xenos. It would explain why they have so much laser and energy weaponry, as well as plasma (as seen on the Magrider), and why the other factions must rely on slug-throwing weapons and other "more primitive" means of warfare... by the same token, though, Eldar do have similar technologies, and again, visual parallels are undeniable-- not to mention that hovercraft and skimmer tanks are far more their shtick than that of the Mechanicus.
  10. AdmiralArcher


    missed?

    do u even read M8?
  11. Einharjar

    Every Faction has it's Pro and Con
    The TR are very Lawful; there is little freedom to change said laws and it makes them particularly weak to corruption should it happen because the corrupted themselves will even be protected by said laws.
    However with that said, the Laws the TR enforces creates a heritage and culture founded on sacrifice and realizing that you simply cannot have all that you ever wanted. It's impossible. The TR sort've reminded me of Robert Heinlein's Terran Federation; militaristic because Duty is deemed more important that Freedom when it comes to preserving the Civiliation as a whole.

    The NC promote freedom but only do this through "consumerism", lead by extreme captitolists. This means the NC ARE NATURALLY corrupt, but only stay viable as a whole because captilistic society thrive on competition which keeps the elite in check.
    The NC however, are more prone to have their "people" reprosented than the VS or TR however, since the NC government being ruled by corporate interests will only succeed if the people actually "buy" into those same interests. So unlike the TR where voting for your Representative is your power, the NC vote every day with their wallets as theirs.

    The VS are the most dangerous; Zealous, closed minded and stupendously focused on a single objective. They've forsaken pure logic for something more a kin to Faith; but not entirely (since what they revere is in fact, true and in evidence around them via the Vanu tech).
    However, the good side is that if every one did take a step back and bond communally as they have? Peace would be abundant. They are not materialistic, do not fear betrayal from their own kind and feel more rewarded that they serve their community over themselves.



    In my Book, the TR is quite the nasty, but there has got to be good snippets of history as too why. They are not all bad. I hate it when I see accusations of the TR being a "communist" factions because the NC once thrived under them, meaning capitalism is alive and well with the TR. Also, their military is "Professional" which means it's voluntary to serve, not required (as communistic principles seem to always provide conscription as a means of building an armed force).

    What I theorize is that, despite the space opera tales between the few faction leaders like Connery and Briggs? The TR remained largely in power because it is the source of the economy as a whole, well established and self sustaining. It promotes a capitalistic environment as well, one that the NC attempted to compete in but apparently failed.
    I feel that the NC and TR relations were forced to such dire circumstances (such as conspiracies of assassinations, deceit and war mongering) because the TRs capitalistic society is dominated by a Military Industrial Complex with extensive lobbyist ties to the Senate. Such a complex would easily exist in a society so prime on their military resolve and such a Complex such as a Military Industrial one would be the prime Rival to extreme Corporate competitors like the NCs own. When the NC attempted to steal away some of the lobbyist influence in order to gain more wealth and control, the Complex responded by fueling and providing the methods to create the assassinations, framed events and even having political and social icons "support" the martial law so that the populace was largely behind the TRs decisions. In response the NC played the same dirty game, fueling "terrorist cells" and promoting slandering propaganda about a new "Force" surging to the fight for "Freedom". The reality is that this "Freedom Fighter Movement" is bought and paid for by the "Losers" of the Capitalist Elite; the ones who couldn't compete with the Military Industrial Complex.
    Mean While, the Complex continued to let the flames rise because I also theorize, that Nanite Systems is actually a "TR" based conglomerate (well this is kind've "DUH", but hear me out). War would mean profit AND control should Nanite Systems be allowed to deal with all contenders in the conflict. So this came to pass; letting the Senate stay in power due to their weight of laws which ambiguously defends and allows the NS to exploit the war market, all for dealing under the table for the TRs own Complex.
    The NC undoubtedly has knowledge of this underhanded dealing but takes the risk anyway since their force is primarily mercenary and is in need of equipment. Like wise, the VS would need spare arms too; Vanu technology may not be the easiest to mass produce yet for all we know.

    The NC is what is known as a Corporatocracy. The ruling body is one put in power entirely by economic means and who power is almost exclusively economic in nature.
    The TR would be best equated to a "Federal Republic". Germany's own history (starting circa 1806 in Prussia) is a good parallel to the TR mindset such as the extreme militaristic values.
    The VS is a Theocratic Technocracy. Man that's a hell of a mix. That is a "religious" based government which values technological and/or educational merits. The Vanu fit this to a "T".

    With is in mind, what would happen if one finally won the War?

    The TR would likely continue martial law until the Complex finished purging most of the NCs upper echelon. After words, you'd likely see the martial law relax to promote a sense of false security but I also imagine that the separatists once with the NC will not sit idle for long. Another political party may arise with a strong sense of community and support; enough to possibly uproot some of the Lobbyist bound Senators who've consistently promoted laws and referendums in support of the Complex's agenda's for so long. The Complex will realize the threat but it will be too late.
    If it is true that the TR has a large Military Industrial Complex in it's core; the only end is Warfare and being toppled inplace of a new leadership. So if the TR wins this war? It will only lead to another. The NCs upper echelon is just as corrupted, but they will be made into Martyrs for the loyalists and patriots who served them; setting forth a cycle that could only end with yet more civil war until that Complex is dissolved.

    The NC winning would desolve the Complex that so dominates the TRs influence, only to eventually one day become a complex themselves. Being a "Conglomerate" ( a corporate structure of united corporations of comparably different industries) it is only natural that the NC would become their own enemy, as their principles in support Conglomerate Philosophies means that in time? Every industry will serve a single "owner". In theory, the NC could already work like this but due to it's current "Total War" stance, goes un-noticed and is excused.
    After a time, the patriots and loyalists will realize that their own leaders have become their own worst enemies and again, like above? Unless the Complex is scoured from any sort of major government control, only civil war will remain.

    The VS is a scary tale. While seemingly enlightened, the lore points to those who "know" the Vanu far more than others are basically brain washed; almost as if the Vanu purposely planted such events in the hopes of conscripting our own kind as cannon fodder for their eventual conquest. I can see nothing good of the VSs victory.
    For a time, peace would seem infinite; but as suicides rise and the elders finally unlock the means to speak to the Vanu directly? The out come will almost always be utter Armageddon for Man Kind on Auraxis.
    This is of course, because I see Steven Hawking's view of intelligent life besides our own as most likely being hostile. The Vanu will likely come to consume everything and wipe mankind clean and for the VS? They will blindly let it happen, brain washed into thinking it's an "ascension". Those who survived may only do so because of their biologically focused "ascension" is of continued use to the Vanu in some unknown way. Perhaps as Slaves? Breeders for Food? Who knows. Either way, there is no good that comes from such blind conviction as the VS have.
    This is undoubtedly WHY the TR AND NC both opposed the VS. They are dangerous and the VS themselves are blind as to why. The NC feel that the VS give away their freedoms for their technocratic faith. The TR are more than aware that the VS dealings with Vany tech is not just enigmatic? But dangerous.
    So even after the VS clearly wins? The TR armed forces and NC mercenaries might actually unite to stop the VS.

    There for, I conclude by saying that in my honest opinion? The war cannot end. If it ends? It only leads to more War!
  12. Paragon Exile

    TR = Crazy evil tyrants obsessed with control and militarism, manipulating common people into fighting for "Stability and peace"

    NC = Crazy evil corporations obsessed with plying their trade, manipulating mercenaries and freedom fighters to do their dirty work.

    VS = Cult-ish transhumanists with a latex fetish, dedicated to expunging the above so they can research alien artifacts.

    /bias

    I 'dunno, the Vanu seem pretty cool to me. I don't recall the Sovereignty ever doing anything wrong to anyone or ever being dishonest about their intentions. In fact, they're the only faction consistently portrayed as the good guys when seen from a neutral/unaligned viewpoint, whereas the NC ad TR are both shown to have an obvious dark side.

    The worst thing I ever heard from the lore about the VS is from the recruitment trailer, where the guy says "We must annihilate the ignorance that stands in our way"
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  13. TriumphantJelly

    The TR became corrupt, and their system would become corrupt even if they did iron out the current flaws (or those that assisted in starting the war). They would eventually become corrupt socialists like the case in old Communist Russia, and their would be uprisings, violently stopped by dissasembly of a rebelling individual. Humanity would fall, and Old Earth would be left to its fate.

    NC ARE corrupt, and would end up starving all of their subjects to death, whilst the leader(s) would live eternally on a ruined world, until they went mad and killed themselves.

    VS would not be accepted, and their experiments resisted; Humans fear the unknown. Eventually humanity would "ascend", but how many people would be alive/sane by that time is uncertain.

    VS and TR are the good guys, but TR could "go stale", and VS could fall under overzealous leadership. NC are corporate slaves as it is, if they won, everybody would be. NC started the war cos thy wanted pocket lining, TR because they were attacked, and VS because they were trying to enlighten people (genuinely). NC are indeed the aggressors, but VS is the best long term "option". TR is, however, the most reliable or safe short-term "option". NC would lead to the death of humanity on Auraxis.

    EDIT: Actually, the TR could use nanites to go aback to Earth, and this would spark another war.
    NC wouldn't even make it that far.
    VS would "ascend" into another physical, metaphysical or energy-based from, go to Earth, and the consequences would be unclear.

    The Vanu themselves (the aliens) might even be the saviour of humanity; they APPEARED to be benign creatures from what we gathered in artefacts, but they told Briggs something, maybe that Earth or had died, and he killed himself, so this is again unclear. But let's be hopeful, they origonally said that humans would take their place among the stars with the Vanu with the 1st Auraxian artifact (Not the one in the Kuiper belt).
  14. Tycon

    Wow, the people who right in this thread should be official lore writers, with bias and opinions from all factions they all come together to tell a pretty cool story about the nature of the war and the world itself. I really hope Sony does what Warcraft and other games that became popular with a thin or non existent lore and produce a book or mini trailer for cannon lore, it might bring some lore junkies into the game and possibly even cause people to swap factions. There's plenty of good fan ideas on the web that they don't even need to hire an official writer to crate lore form nothing.

    That said, crossing my fingers if the game ever does "end" as in Sony closes the game servers down for some reason in the far future, they at least tell us what happens in the end and who wins, I hope the VS win and the ending probably would be the weirdest and most entertaining.
  15. TriumphantJelly

    NC and VS fight cos NC hate the "human experimentation" VS were/are doing.
    VS have about 10% or at a stretch 15%, NC have 35% to 40%, and TR have the same. VS weapons are EXTREMELY powerful in the lore, but there are players playing the game, so populations will never be that low if S ahve "OP" weapons.
  16. Ronin Oni

    You missed what I had brought up, claiming TR were trying to be all peaceful like and NC and VS started killing people outta nowhere.
  17. Exalted Exile

    WOW this is probably the best write up on this thread yet.
  18. Epic High Five


    The VS have been extremely naive which, while it SEEMS like this is better than being outright duplicitous, actually only serves to harm themselves and their allies as much as it does anybody else. Had the VS been realistic and chosen a side in the obviously emerging total war scenario, the war could very well be over by now.

    Because I have zero doubt that they'd band together with the NC

    Because the TR are comic book evil in PS2 lore

    And we could be in a post-war VS+NC society where we still fundamentally distrust one another as xenophile weirdos/rootin' tootin' hillbillies but that's alright because we don't mean the other harm.

    Capitalism loves technology, and technology loves itself an independent economic machine to do all the non-pure science stuff for them, and of course the pre-built market for anything discovered that proves profitable. Neither of these forces like an overbearing authoritarian structure that feels that all but a few people at the top should be absolutely servile. Hell that seems like a purpose-built market for VS technology but even in that regard the TR were still too overbearingly oppressive and the VS backed out.
  19. Casterbridge

    Don't look at me I'm just a merc...
  20. Strottinglemon


    What's the point? Nanites are far better tools than any human. No need to make a bunch of mind-controlled zombie slaves.

    Back on Earth, maybe. You fail to recall the big military coup that occurred on our way to Auraxis where Waterson blew up a civilian ship, killing Connery, countless civilians, and our only chance at peace so he could take over as the leader of Auraxian TR.

    Your dream to reestablish contact with Earth is a pipe one. We're stranded on the other side of the universe, potentially in another universe altogether, with no way back. The wormhole is closed forever. We don't have any FTL technology, and even if we did pinpointing Earth would make finding a needle in a haystack seem like child's play.
    You ever think there's a reason we rebelled? Maybe we were a little, I dunno, dissatisfied by some aspect of your "literally the best civilization". As long as there's an oppressive regime there will be rebels who seek to overthrow it. That's the fundamental flaw of your system.

    Buddy, you do not want to **** with me about the lore. I've scoured every single little detail of that ****.

    I sympathize with the TR, I really do. They're not bad people, they're just following a misguided cause. I have no idea where you're coming from with the whole Rebirthing control, though. There's nothing about that in the lore.


    I'm not sure I can see this. It seems like the NC want to preserve their capitalist ways and see the VS ideas of technocracy and transhumanism as a threat to that. Similarly, the VS see the NC's capitalist ways as a threat to their ideas of technocracy and transhumanism.
    A "Vanu Corp" as a part of the NC would be hilarious. Though, honestly, I'm not sure how long a traditional capitalist society will hold up in this world of nanites. See this post. It's easy to see a capitalist system crumbling into something akin to Wall-E where everyone is taken care of by AI controlled nanites.
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